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Holder's lies (Fast and Furious)
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | July 14, 2011 | Editorial

Posted on 07/14/2011 12:12:04 PM PDT by jazusamo

Add lying to Congress about his Justice Department's "Operation Fast and Furious" scandal to the reasons why Eric Holder must be fired as U.S. attorney general.

The idiocy of Fast and Furious -- an attempt by Justice's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to link illegally sold guns with Mexican drug cartels -- became gravely clear when two such rifles were found at the scene of a Border Patrol agent's December murder.

Mr. Holder mentioned Fast and Furious essentials at an anti-arms-smuggling symposium in Mexico in April 2009. Last September, a Justice document referenced such efforts --

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; castaway; cia; dea; democrats; doj; dojisajoke; fastandfurious; fastandfuriousgate; fbi; ffgate; govtabuse; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; holdertruthfile; melson; obama; perjury; tyranny
Good to see some in the MSM picking up on this.
1 posted on 07/14/2011 12:12:13 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
GUNRUNILLEGAL
2 posted on 07/14/2011 12:15:53 PM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: jazusamo

Lying is no big deal to Moslems or Holder.
or is Holder a Moslem?
He certainly loves his Moslem terrorists.


3 posted on 07/14/2011 12:16:04 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Diogenesis
He certainly loves his Moslem terrorists.

Yes he does and he goes out of his way to protect "his people" such as the New Black Panthers which, BTW, could be Moslem terrorists also.

4 posted on 07/14/2011 12:22:53 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

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5 posted on 07/14/2011 12:23:26 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Bttt.

5.56mm

6 posted on 07/14/2011 12:25:19 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: jazusamo

Yeah it on the DOJ web page and many news stories that Holder spoke of operation fast and furious and the details. Yet he lied under oath...

WATCH THE VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NqH88cSBqI


7 posted on 07/14/2011 12:53:47 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: MestaMachine

ping


8 posted on 07/14/2011 12:54:33 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: jazusamo

This story is getting confused and it’s decreasing our credibility.

Project Gunrunner is a legit operation funded by the Stimulus.

Fast and Furious is a rogue operation during which “gunwalking” took place.

Holder, and the stimulus funds, are referencing a legit operation.


9 posted on 07/14/2011 12:59:11 PM PDT by HEM
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To: M Kehoe

12 ga Centurion.


10 posted on 07/14/2011 1:06:06 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: DCBryan1

Brian Terry’s Family Prepares For Funeral, Rips Obama Admin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPopTU43kwU

Obstruction Of Justice: Does The Justice Dept Have To Respond To A Congressional Subpoena?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VXa0wcqVBw

Who in Justice Department is Responsible for Operation Fast and Furious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsI85G-1fb0

“Operation Fast and Furious: Reckless Decisions, Tragic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cYeIswLQms

****At least ONE of the whistleblower ATF Agents— testifying in the video below-— have been fired since the hearing.****

“Operation Fast and Furious: Reckless Decisions, Tragic Outcomes.” Panel 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLcNw1HV_tg&NR=1


12 posted on 07/14/2011 1:21:53 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: HEM

When it was legitimate it was called gunrunner. When it was corrupt it was called fast and furious. (Gunwalker) Holder has spoken on fast and furious as this article mentions,then he appeared under oath and said he was not aware of operation fast and furious until 2 weeks before the hearing. See my last two posts.


13 posted on 07/14/2011 1:28:56 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...
See #12 for video links. Thanks Dubya.

FOR REFERENCE:

14 posted on 07/14/2011 2:03:38 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Excellent video. Thanks.


15 posted on 07/14/2011 2:11:12 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: HEM

Project Gunrunner-Bush

Fast and Furious-holder/obama

Gunwalker-nickname given to F&F by David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh who broke the story.


16 posted on 07/14/2011 2:12:34 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Gonna add your post #12 to the reference links. Thank you.


17 posted on 07/14/2011 2:14:53 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: MestaMachine

Brian Terry’s Family Prepares For Funeral, Rips Obama Admin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPopTU43kwU

Issa Grills Attorney General Holder on Operation Fast and Furious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NqH88cSBqI

Obstruction Of Justice: Does The Justice Dept Have To Respond To A Congressional Subpoena?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VXa0wcqVBw

Who in Justice Department is Responsible for Operation Fast and Furious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsI85G-1fb0

“Operation Fast and Furious: Reckless Decisions, Tragic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cYeIswLQms

****Atleast ONE of the whistleblower ATF Agents — testifying in the video below— have been fired since the hearng.****

“Operation Fast and Furious: Reckless Decisions, Tragic Outcomes.” Panel 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLcNw1HV_tg&NR=1


18 posted on 07/14/2011 2:18:54 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Okay # 17 it is. I’ll change it igyou add any others in the future.


19 posted on 07/14/2011 2:24:00 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: MestaMachine

18
Gah!


20 posted on 07/14/2011 2:24:58 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: HEM
F&F was done out of the Phoenix ATF office under the umbrella of Gunrunner. They’re not synonymous but they are related. The funding came from the same place.

ATF’s Fast and Furious Seems Colored With Shades of Iran/Contra Scandal

The operation that has put Melson in the hot seat before Congress is known as Fast and Furious, which was launched in October 2009 as an offshoot of Project Gunrunner — ATF’s larger effort to stem the flow of illegal weapons into Mexico

21 posted on 07/14/2011 2:28:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: HEM

Fast and Furious was the original operation that was legit and ran its course under Bush. It was reconstituted under Obama and Gunwalker was the cock-up operation that was designed by Holder and Obama to justify more gun restrictions.


22 posted on 07/14/2011 2:32:59 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: MestaMachine
Gunwalker-nickname given to F&F by David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh who broke the story.

I think the ATF may have beat them to it although they aren't using the term 'gunwalker' as a noun.

The Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of (four) ATF Agents

In that House Oversight Committee Report four ATF agents repeatedly use the terms 'gunwalking' as verbs to describe what they were doing. There is even a chapter titled "V. Gunwalking Defined: It’s Semantics"

23 posted on 07/14/2011 2:40:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: MestaMachine

I added a link to the ATF agent that testified and got fired.Will post next post


24 posted on 07/14/2011 2:43:27 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: jazusamo

Here’s where I’m getting my info on confusion between Gunrunner, F&F and gunwalking:

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/rediscovered-infomration-on-project-gunrunner-leading-to-misconceptions

“...MISCONCEPTIONS...

A lot of them are out there concerning Gunrunner, like finding the Ogden video and the $10M funding are proof Obama ordered guns walked. No—those are only proof that a known project was authorized by the government—not in secret, but with press releases and everything.

GUNRUNNER has been well known. For a long time. See those “Journalist Guide” icons in the left margin of my WarOnGuns blog? Guess where I got the cover art to modify from? And Gunrunner is NOT synonymous with Fast and Furious—that was a component strategy presented as a sting op. that turned out to be something else.

Mike and I are concerned with gunWALKING—where the stated mission was deviated from with the criminal conspiracy we now see unfolding....”


25 posted on 07/14/2011 2:44:57 PM PDT by HEM
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To: MestaMachine

Brian Terry’s Family Prepares For Funeral, Rips Obama Admin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPopTU43kwU

Issa Grills Attorney General Holder on Operation Fast and Furious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NqH88cSBqI

Obstruction Of Justice: Does The Justice Dept Have To Respond To A Congressional Subpoena?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VXa0wcqVBw

Who in Justice Department is Responsible for Operation Fast and Furious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsI85G-1fb0

“Operation Fast and Furious”: Reckless Decisions, Tragic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cYeIswLQms

***One of the whistleblower’s- ATF Agent Vince Cefalu, (testifying in the video below has been fired since the hearng.***
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/

“Operation Fast and Furious: Reckless Decisions, Tragic Outcomes.” Panel 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLcNw1HV_tg&NR=1


26 posted on 07/14/2011 2:46:20 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: HEM
And Gunrunner is NOT synonymous with Fast and Furious—that was a component strategy presented as a sting op.

That accords perfectly with what I posted in #21.

27 posted on 07/14/2011 2:48:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

They talked about *gunwalking* and that is why David and Mike renamed the op Gunwalker for their expose`.


28 posted on 07/14/2011 2:50:03 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: jazusamo

Isn’t Holder’s Justice Dept. currently prosecuting Roger Clemens for lying to Congress?


29 posted on 07/14/2011 2:54:42 PM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: MestaMachine
Yes, in essence we are both correct. There was never an operation called Gunwalker but David and Mike coined that name to give the scandal itself a name. Gunrunner was and is a name of an agency-wide operation that has been in effect since the Bush administration. It's purpose is ostensibly to interdict illegal gun trafficking. It is the operation that receives funding by name. Operations like Fast and Furious and Castaway are local ATF division operations that get their funding from the over-arching program called Gunrunner.

So "walking" and "gun walking" are verbs (adjectives?) that agents themselves use to describe allowing guns to disappear into the criminal netherworld. "Gunwalker" is a noun used by the press (and coined by Dave and Mike) to describe the scandal.

30 posted on 07/14/2011 2:58:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Hoodat
Yes, and the judge declared a mistrial today because of prosecutorial misconduct, they showed evidence to the jury the judge had already ruled impermissible.
31 posted on 07/14/2011 3:01:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: HEM

That is the first link I post with every Gunwalker ping. Misconceptions.


32 posted on 07/14/2011 3:01:57 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Got it.


33 posted on 07/14/2011 3:04:22 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Diogenesis

Lying is no big deal to Moslems or Holder.
or is Holder a Moslem?

Rhetorical question. :))

A while back, when Sharia: A threat to America came out, I heard Frank Gaffney on the GGLiddy show imply that Holder was a muzzie.

I’m sure that there a more than a few in this Admin too.


34 posted on 07/14/2011 5:09:47 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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