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As far as I'm concerned, the shock collars worn by a couple of dogs I know give them the freedom to roam their spacious yards. They wouldn't have that freedom without them. I'm sure the homeowners would never put up a mesh fence around their expensive upscale homes.

I know a mut named Mattie. She is a big fine dog. She knows where the borders are and she never gets shocked. One of her duties is to retrieve the newspaper every morning. The collar is removed and she races the 50 yds. down the drive and through the iron gate. After a brief inspection of area and leaving a marker if necessary, she races back with the newspaper and gets a treat.

1 posted on 07/18/2011 8:10:42 AM PDT by KyGeezer
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I guess the Welsh authorities and the UK government would consider it more humane for the collie to jump its wall and get run over in the road outside.

}:-)4


2 posted on 07/18/2011 8:14:36 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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Gubmint knows best.


3 posted on 07/18/2011 8:14:44 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: KyGeezer; Joe 6-pack

Doggie ping


4 posted on 07/18/2011 8:15:10 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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Government: We’re not perfect yet, but someday we will be — the day we regulate how you interact with every molecule in your life!


5 posted on 07/18/2011 8:29:27 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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It seems that English-speaking people world-wide are genetically predisposed to insanity.

How else explain this?

What would they do if the man didn’t have property they could threaten?

Seize the dog instead? Where would they keep him? In some humane kennel somewhere, I guess. Then they could threaten euthanize the dog until the subject paid.


7 posted on 07/18/2011 8:34:18 AM PDT by tsomer
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Without my shock collar my dog once I throw him the ball once never brings it back. End result - dog doesn’t get to run and exercise. With the shock collar he gets the exercise he needs. Every AM he willingly stands while I put the collar on him. I have a feeling that the discomfort level is equivalent to a mosquito bite. So what is the humane answer? Sure I’m sure there are abuses but in my case I know my dog is much better off having that collar.


11 posted on 07/18/2011 8:43:54 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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Y'know, it's a funny thing, but bizarre restrictions on pet ownership are one of the things that made me (slowly) realize I am not a liberal.

Back when RR was president, I hated him and accepted all the liberal talking points of the day, mostly because I figured out by media osmosis that those points were accepted by all the "smart" people...And who doesn't want to consider oneself automatically intelligent, simply by believing in X instead of Y on topic____?

And then I read a glowing article on Sweden, which was then being promulgated as the World's Utopia. And I'm pretty sure the article I read was published by the Reader's Digest, to which my parents had a subscription (that magazine may have been conservative back in the 1950s, but it already wasn't by the 1980s, in my experience.) Anyhow, the article laid out all the reasons why Sweden Was The Best Place on Earth If Not The Universe, and one of the reasons was

Spaying and neutering dogs was banned.

Owners were expected to keep female dogs in heat inside, to prevent unwanted litters.

The rationale behind this law was,"it encouraged responsible pet ownership" and I'm pretty sure that was EXACTLY the way it was phrased.

Bear in mind I considered myself a leftist then-more radical than a liberal-and yet, reading that I felt a disquieting emotion in my stomach and on the back of my neck which I could not identify then, but which I later realized was pure rage.

The law gave the Swedish government the right to treat grown adults as children (Isn't "it will encourage responsibility" precisely why the grownups give children allowances?) and that really bothered me.

(I felt the same rage when I read in the article that the government had created communal dining halls for apartment buildings....And that these halls had so encouraged socialization and cohesion in the apartment dwellers that the government had then made their usage mandatory instead of voluntary.Not every night, only a few times a month IIRC...But being told as a grownup how you WILL spend even one or two nights a month by your government is just too intrusive....And for an introvert like me, who finds people in groups draining, it's The Worst Nightmare Ever.

So in retrospect, a stupid* Swedish law banning spaying is what started my journey from knee jerk liberal to small government (but strong national defense) conservative/libertarian . It took a few more years (I voted for WJC the first time ) and it was an obsession with the Civil war that finally killed off the last of my HS/college liberalism (the state's rights argument on behalf on local self government was too obviously correct-a strong central government was too intrusive even then)...But it was seeing how (over and over and over) it was *Liberals* who wanted to intrude in my private life more than conservatives , and how *liberals* were the ones who wanted to strengthen the government to intrude into people's privacy (in the name of "fairness" and "enlightened opinion", of course) that did the trick.

*And it WAS a stupid law, that years later it was revealed led to a rate of uterine cancers in canines EIGHT TIMES the US average, because we spay our female pets much more frequently.

13 posted on 07/18/2011 9:06:50 AM PDT by kaylar (It's MARTIAL law. Not marshal(l) or marital! This has been a spelling PSA. PS Secede not succeed)
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Humaniac alert.

Yes, it is much more humane to lock the dog up, have them on a chain, or allow it to get run over.


22 posted on 07/18/2011 2:16:34 PM PDT by dervish (women candidates, the last frontier)
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