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To: TheBattman
TheBattman: “I am aggravated that there is no finger-pointing at the women who CHOOSE abortion in the first place - are they not just as guilty?”

I can't speak for all of the women, but certainly a lot of them simply don't understand the gravity of what's going on. They are told there's nothing wrong with abortion, that it's only a clump of cells, etc. It's possible to be ignorant and pregnant at the same time. The doctors, on the other hand, know EXACTLY what they are doing. Both the women and the doctors are doing terrible evil, but the doctors are doing the equivalent of 1st degree murder.

43 posted on 07/26/2011 4:19:00 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Good, OTOH, is work. It takes discipline.)
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To: CitizenUSA; TheBattman
Said TheBattman: I am aggravated that there is no finger-pointing at the women who CHOOSE abortion in the first place - are they not just as guilty?

Then replied CitizenUSA: I can't speak for all of the women, but certainly a lot of them simply don't understand the gravity of what's going on....

Now replies Jesse:
I agree with both of you. I argue that abortion meets all the requirements for first degree murder. Anyone, mother or other, who intentionally kills with premeditation another innocent human life has committed first degree murder in reality (but not legally due to a judge making a ruling.)

However, Citizen brings up a good point - ignorance. Let me back up slightly: What if someone drives over a cardboard box, after being assured that it only contained trash, but to find out later it had a live child in it. Was driving over the cardboard box without checking inside a dumb thing to do? Absolutely. Probably negligent manslaughter, if the driver should have known it was possible that there was someone in the box. But, it's not murder.

Now back to the topic at hand, young people are pounded and pounded with the idea that a fetus is just a collection of non-viable cells. They say that a fetus is not a human life, even though it is both human and alive.

So there is a heavy burden also on those who know the truth, and either lie to young people, or don't tell them the truth.

And that's what is so great about Freerepublic -- is the discussion can be had, and the word can be spread, and individual lives can be touched with the truth.

The Abortionists, however, do know the truth, and always carry the full guilt for what they do.

To those of you who (or who's wives) have had abortions, please do not despair. Christ paid with his blood for the greatest sin possible, that you may be forgiven, you have only to ask. But please also do not waste the past: Share with your children and your friends the truth to help prevent them from making the same mistake, and being haunted for life. Even though Christ forgives us, often our actions still cause us suffering for the duration of our life on this earth, but God can use those experiences to help others, and I think by helping others we ourselves are often helped as well.

~Jesse

PS: I was pleased to see that an FR article is currently the top hit for Abortion First Degree Murder on Google.
81 posted on 07/26/2011 9:45:44 PM PDT by mrjesse (The big bang and dark matter exist only in black holes that are supposed to be full of gray matter)
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To: CitizenUSA

Thank you so much for being a voice of reason. I can understand that emotions run high when confronted with the killing of precious babies but I don’t understand all the posters who are pointing fingers at the women and saying nothing about the men who actually committ the dastardly deed and hold the half-alive babes in their hands and proceed to dump them in the toilet or the trash. They murder babies all day long. For a living. THAT is evil. The women who elect to have this done do not always understand the gravity of what they are doing. Not all of them are evil. Many have repented and if the good lord can forgive them it doesn’t matter if a stranger on a message board won’t. Guaranteed if most of them held the baby in their arms they would not have choosen to have it aborted.


85 posted on 07/26/2011 10:29:39 PM PDT by kelly4c
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To: CitizenUSA

Sorry, but women do know exactly what they are doing. The are killing their child and know it. They simply whisper in their own ear that it’s not really a person, but they know better in their hearts.


100 posted on 07/27/2011 7:37:59 AM PDT by LevinFan
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