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Farmers Oppose G.O.P. Bill on Immigration [Farmers Say E-Verify System Will Cripple $390B Industry]]
NYTimes ^ | July 30,2011 | ESSE McKINLEY and JULIA PRESTON

Posted on 07/30/2011 2:57:06 PM PDT by Steelfish

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1 posted on 07/30/2011 2:57:07 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

BS I worked in Ag my whole life.

Farmers just want free labor.

Framing is the reason we face the immigration issues we do.


2 posted on 07/30/2011 3:01:26 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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To: Steelfish

BS I worked in Ag my whole life.

Farmers just want free labor.

Farming is the reason we face the immigration issues we do.


3 posted on 07/30/2011 3:01:58 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Life as Nancy Pelosi knows & wants it, must end, Life As Nancy Knows it is to raise Debt 10% annualy)
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To: Steelfish

It would require farmers — who have long relied on a labor force of immigrants, a majority here without legal documents —

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Not in the part of farm country I live in (Plains/Midwest). Farmers hate illegals and don’t trust them around here.


4 posted on 07/30/2011 3:02:11 PM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: NoLibZone
Well, yeah, framing and agrimculture as well.

Makes people feel bad.

(Snork).(/s)

5 posted on 07/30/2011 3:03:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steelfish

They wouldn’t be breaking the law, by hiring illegals by any chance? Just wondering.

Are there economic consequences to following the law? Maybe.


6 posted on 07/30/2011 3:04:07 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Steelfish

While I totally favor governmental efforts to crackdown on illegal immigration, I do not think it is the job of employers to verify the legal status of their employees. You should be able to hire people without asking the DHS whether it is OK or not.


7 posted on 07/30/2011 3:04:32 PM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: Steelfish
There are other reasons to oppose this bill.
8 posted on 07/30/2011 3:05:00 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: Steelfish

““This would be an emergency, a dire, dire situation,” said Nancy Foster, president of the U.S. Apple Association,..”

I am not sympathetic.

Truck farmers and orchardists hire illegals on a temporary seasonal or need basis, then let them go. These illegal aliens then are not working year round and the public, in the end, has to pick up the welfare costs.

There is a solution. Asparagus growers despaired of ever getting in their crops without illegal alien workers, and then an invention which allowed the harvesting of asparagus appeared, saving their businesses.

It can be done, and for the sake of the rest of the nation, it must be done.


9 posted on 07/30/2011 3:05:54 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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How about the GOVERNMENT certifies the LEGALITY of ANYONE here FIRST!!!??? You don’t have the right (according to the gov’t) to work here? No job...THEN, if they are hired, you could go after the employers...


10 posted on 07/30/2011 3:06:53 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: NoLibZone

You perhaps have worked in agriculture your whole life...and how many years has that been. Also your profile says you are from California.....has it occurred to you that the socialist shittehole you live in is just one of 49 other states...Farming is not the reason that we face the immigration issues we do in the other 49 states...what a stupid statement!


11 posted on 07/30/2011 3:08:08 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: reaganaut

Not here in Tennessee! Our farmer’s smuggle them in by the truck loads to work the tobacco fields and other farm crops. They get a free pass from law enforcement. Our former sheriff even told his officers not to bother them. I haven’t seen his replacement take a stand against them either. I think we need to force everybody on the Welfare system (except the elderly and disabled) to work the farms and send the illegals packing.


12 posted on 07/30/2011 3:09:05 PM PDT by Melinda in TN (My goal in life is to be the person my dog thinks I am.)
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To: Steelfish

I expect the farmers to threaten us with, “You can pick your own damn peas!”, the way things are going in this country these days. There’s definitely too much whining going on our there.


13 posted on 07/30/2011 3:12:47 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Barry! Compromise this!!!)
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To: Steelfish

So the farmers are openly admitting they hire illegal immigrants and taking subsidies on top of that.


14 posted on 07/30/2011 3:13:16 PM PDT by PMAS
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To: NoLibZone

E-verify is just another ploy used by government to force employers to do the job they refuse to do.


15 posted on 07/30/2011 3:14:38 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Steelfish

As a non-farmer, I’ve still got to call BS here. I can see farmers worrying about partial enforcement, because then their less ethical neighbors using illegals will have a pricing advantage. But why would they gripe over real enforcement? If the price of lettuce goes up, so be it—the price of a lot of other things, like healthcare and taxes to cover education and incarceration would be going down. The farm products would still be sold, and the farmers wouldn’t be hurt.


16 posted on 07/30/2011 3:15:19 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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As a non-farmer, I’ve still got to call BS here. I can see farmers worrying about partial enforcement, because then their less ethical neighbors using illegals will have a pricing advantage. But why would they gripe over real enforcement? If the price of lettuce goes up, so be it—the price of a lot of other things, like healthcare and taxes to cover education and incarceration would be going down. The farm products would still be sold, and the farmers wouldn’t be hurt.

Maybe I’m missing the factor of international competition... like from Mexican farms... but I don’t think that’s a major factor.


17 posted on 07/30/2011 3:16:25 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Well IF these farmers are now knowingly accepting false SS# and ID that means they are paying minimum wage.
Kinda makea a lie out of the “ working for low wages” whine they use.

there is a visa allowing an UNLIMITED number of LEGAL immigrants to come to USA to do Ag work

This is all BS


18 posted on 07/30/2011 3:16:46 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: SatinDoll
I'm so sick of these hard luck stories by people who are systematically destroying this country.

NPR, in its typical fashion, had a sob story about Georgia blackberry farmers who lamented the fact that they couldn't find seasonal workers for their farms.

When the reporter asked the owner whether he would consider hiring parolees or raising his wages he told the correspondent that he would rather shut down his farm.

19 posted on 07/30/2011 3:17:36 PM PDT by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: SatinDoll
Truck farmers and orchardists hire illegals on a temporary seasonal or need basis, then let them go. These illegal aliens then are not working year round and the public, in the end, has to pick up the welfare costs.

The term is "privatize profits/socialize costs". As you point out, they get the benefit of cheap labor, while the rest of us have to deal with the cost of the illegals.

I'm willing to pay a bit more for my cabbages. As you also point out, if they didn't have cheap illegal labor, it would create a market of picking machines, which would permanently solve the problem.

20 posted on 07/30/2011 3:19:30 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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