Hustle do you think? Na...
When you have it right get set to fight.
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Heads will roll in the primaries - again.
GOP surrenders in the face of victory
I think I’m the only one on FR not upset. I never thought it would or could end another way...we simply don’t have the numbers. 2012 is our chance to make a difference and we should be going after Democrats then; we need a Senate majority and a new president - that must be our focus.
Spin aside, what are we actually celebrating / mourning here? Aside from no one liking the deal, I’m curious how good / bad it is ?
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Don’t worry.
The Super Congress will cut spending. It is an even better version of the Congress we have now ... which 6 percent of America supports.
Worse than what we hoped for, better than what we feared. Our opponents are NOT happy with this deal. At all.
It’s not what I want at all. I won’t be satisfied until all Unconstitutional spending is eliminated. But it’s a start. It took our opponents a century to get us where we are today. We cannot expect to reverse a trend of such duration overnight.
Two steps forward, one step back. Keep up the pressure.
Rather than just “preach to the quire” I fired off FAXes listing my objections to each of my reps in the house and senate, TONIGHT!
My FAX will be waiting for them when they arrive in the morning.
Already printed out for their readying pleasure. ;-)
You are right that this is really a big goose egg. There were other deals to be made, even the Gang of Six plan would have been better, for now anyway.
We just need to make sure we aren’t going to be like General Lee at Gettysburg and end up with a lost cause. This problem didn’t happen over night and it likely won’t be solved that way either. In addition to that we need to figure out whether the demands being made are really the essence of solving the problem. On that point, I have my doubts because capitulation to big government, in the permanent sense of amending the constitution, isn’t going to solve the problem and that is what the BBA does.
It doesn’t solve the “why” of government spending too much, or the effects of statism on the economy because there are other ways for government to get what it wants and make everyone pay for it indirectly, even if it had some limiting effect on government itself. In my perception, that is in serious doubt because after reading the various proposed BBAs and applying them to the last 10 years, I cannot find one aspect that would have been prevented from happening. We still would have had all the bailouts, stimulus, and ObamaCare, and still be in the same place with debt and spending we are now because of 1) the wars, and 2) Democrats had a supermajority 2009-10 and could override the caps.
The reason the BBA was put up is because it supposedly adds to the credibility that our government will get its liability issues under control to avoid problems in the market for debt. It has nothing to do with restoring constitutional government, and cannot even promise that. The only way to restore constitutional govt is to do it. Like the 13th and 14th amendments overruled Dred Scott, we need to overrule Slaughterhouse and other gross distortions of the commerce clause through the New Deal Court and beyond. Once we do that, spending and statism at the Federal level will be greatly mitigated, because the “why” of spending too much will be addressed.
Short of doing that, all we will get is a bunch of cost shifting, and a bunch of stuff being done under the covers that we will end up paying for anyway.
Patting each other on the back...
America's Ruling Class -- And the Perils of Revolution By Angelo M. Codevilla
Sure you are. Your habitual use of Stalinist tactics and progressive debate styles is simple happenstance.
Don't like having your real motivation for being a one note wonder on every issue being exposed
You, on the other hand, never bother to think but always emote.
Obviously you are not even bothering to ready anything that doesn't validate your emotional dogmas. Either that or you are a propaganda bot not bothering to actually think about the issues but merely responding with pre programed paid for responses.
So which is it? Are you political fool or political fraud?