Posted on 08/15/2011 5:41:08 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
How do you quibble about someone so liberal that his ACU scores ranged from 6% to 9%?
See post 211.
While I completely agree, I’m kind of getting tired of having to do this, as a conservative, practically every election since 1984.
That’s a total lie and you know it
More like 110%.
‘”No, if after he lost his bid to end the Reagan Revolution with Al Gore, and after seeing the writing on the political wall, Perry switched to Republican (remember that Reagan pulled 64% in Texas), that has nothing to do with his prior political activism, passions, and dedication.
You forget that Perry wanted the Reagan Revolution to be ended by replacing Reagan with Al Gore.”’
That isn’t opinion, that is the straight history of a dedicated Democrat party Official.
And the biggest bunch of racist in our countries history.
So, what, pray tell, am I supposed to have learned ? That we should’ve nominated another loser RINO in 2008 ? That great paragon of deceit Slick Willard ? Huckster ? Stop being obtuse and answer the question. Don’t wait for the translation.
“Are you serious? You are assuming his faith made him a conservative? LOL! Like Pelosi and Kennedy with their faith.”
Oh no, I agree, his faith did not make him a conservative, in any sense of the word that you or I would understand, but that was really what he was put on the ticket as.
Of course it was all BS. Gore has always been an opportunist, and so was his father. It is in his blood. The Gore’s have been snake oil salesmen since their family association with Armen Hammer and the Russians.
But, the fact still remains, that he was far to the right, when it comes to religion, or so he and his handlers claimed. That religious zeal is what kept getting him elected in the farm belt as a congress-critter. You have to remember, that at that time, the right would have been considered the Jim and Tammy Faye Baker crowd. Gore played to that crowd very well.
If you were to tell, the average lib, that Al Gore and his wife, once testified for weeks before congress to ban rock music, or that the Gore Family became very wealthy as tobacco farmers, they would not believe you.
Those of us who have been around the block a few times, can remember such things.
And your association with Pelosi and Kennedy are dead on. They are religious when it suits them, you and I understand that, but to the millions of Catholics here around Chicago, they will always vote D because the D party is the Catholic party. Issues be damned, it is more important to “most” Chicago Area Roman Catholics to just claim you are Catholic I guess.
BTW, I too was once a Chicago area democrat & a Catholic. I pulled the lever for my first R when Reagan ran, and I never went back, and since then, by proxy, I had to leave the Catholic Church here in Chicago. They do not fit in with my conservative views.
I believe I read that Obama got nearly 85% of Catholic vote here in Chicago land, and somewhere near 75% nationwide (I am sure my figures are off a few percentage points, I’m generalizing, and someone will correct me if I am wrong hopefully). That doesn’t mean Obama is conservative, any more than it means Gore was a conservative. It just means that they got that voting block. Slice it however you want.
If that’s what you believe, then I’m not going to change your mind.
Gore was considered by many bible-belters to be even more religious than Buchanan who was on the GOP ticket as well.
BTW, after responding to your first reply, I was reading what others were writing on this thread, and I have to back off. I was only disputing your assertion that Gore was considered the liberal on the Clinton/Gore ticket, I am no way using this to justify Perry supporting Gore or running his campaign.
Quite the opposite. My jury is still out on Perry, but my initial thoughts are that he is a snake oil salesman, just like the Gores. I have been chastised about this before, but as silly as it sounds, he has that demeanor about him like a carnival barker (I cant’ really put my finger on why, to be honest). I could be wrong, and if he wins the primary, I’ll vote for him.
Again, maybe Perry has had an epiphany, and he is the greatest conservative in the world. I just don’t see it, his issue on the borders, from what I’ve been reading here turns me off big time, but his job creation and what people say he’s done for his states economy make me want to stand back, and relax a bit and let the facts come out. It could be all hype and spin, and probably is, but it ain’t even the primary yet, so I watch with earnest as those from Texas and others, who are smarter than me, debate his history. It would be too early for me to say either way.
As far as your take on Gore, well, that’s your take on it. My memory of the Gores on the Clinton ticket is much different I guess. I go by what I saw, not what Bill Clinton says. Also, remember the campaign was probably run differently in different parts of the country. Here in Illinois, Gore was postured as the right side of the Clinton Gore ticket, and as a great patriot, because of he and Tipper’s work on social issues, such as banning Rock music, and he was branded a patriot, because Clinton was being labeled a draft dodger by Bush, whereas Gore was being lauded as a vet. They were exact opposites, and that’s what Clinton needed, not because as you say, they were similar. At least that’s how it was being played here in our neck of the woods. It might have been a different campaign where you are.
“Didn’t you read this... Clinton stated”
Well, your not going to win any arguments here by siting what “Clinton stated”. If he is your beacon of truth, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Also, what is your source? These are politicians, and they will say whatever they want, whenever they want. If you somehow think that Bill Clintons word is as good as gold, and is reason for an argument, you are on the wrong forum.
“And isn’t it strange, today he’s divorced and clinton isn’t. Shows how strong his faith back then ‘wasn’t’ because it was an act - just saying/doing things ‘religious’. You can’t have clinton’s political ideologies and be deeply religious! “
And of course you are correct here. I am not in any way saying Gore was religious. I am saying he was presented as such to the American voter. He was also presented as a patriotic vet, which we all know was false, his father who was always anti-war, forced Al to join the service, because he thought it would hurt his own chances at re-election.
The whole Gore family is a fabricated lie, and this is what bothers me much about Perry’s association with them.
I am guessing you support Perry for some reason or another, and this is why you want to rewrite the history of Al Gore, otherwise, I’m not sure why you keep trotting out an unsubstantiated Clinton quote (with no source) as proof to Al Gore’s honesty or whatever.
If you believe Al Gore and Bill Clinton, well.... more power to ya I guess.
If people want to hop aboard the Perry express (round trip to Mexico City) that's one thing.
But all these self-righteous ninnies trying to sell that "Gore was a conservative democrat" in a foolhearty effort to sanitize Perry's past, GMAFB you clowns.
Gore may have been pro-life, at least officially but that's IT.
We have a responsibly to shoot that garbage down so none of the wide-eyed types fall for it but you know what the only proper response is?
"Talk to the hand". A stupid reply for a stupid statement.
I'd like to hear Perry say whether or not he voted for Jimmuh, Mondale, and Dukakis.
If he did, hey Reagan was once a liberal democrat who woke up. Michelle Bachmann was raised a rat and woke up in college I think it was. Romney was an independent during Reagan-Bush he doesn't want to go back to Reagan-Bush, oops never mind that last one.
People can change their views but this 1980's Texas were most of the democrats were conservative and Al Gore was "somewhat conservative" exists only in fairy tales.
Absurd, yup. I said earlier if you have to do that much twisting and spinning and lying to justify your “Conservative” candidate, neither you or your candidate are. Conservatism is what it is, you don’t need to lie about it. Liberalism, however... that is all about the twisting and spinning and lying because when you get right down to it, hardly anyone wants it, and it never works.
I’m reckoning you weren’t around back then, and most likely not even old enough to vote. Your “LOL”’s give you away.
Gore was run as a religious zealot. Like it or not.
So was Jimmy Carter. Like it or not.
There has never been a candidate who has made it to the primaries, in the last 100 years, that did not claim to be the most religious person in the world while campaigning. That’s just a fact.
Do an internet search (your choice, google, yahoo, bing), and ask if Al Gore was religious. You might learn something.
Now, after examining your posting history, I see you are very defensive about your religion. It must irk you to no end to know that Carter and Gore were of the same ilk. Or at least they claimed to be.
Of course they are both con-men. Of course they both have the same ideologies. No one is disputing that. I’m telling you, that Slick Willy was run as being more fiscally conservative than Bush, and Gore brought the religious credentials to the table. All one need do is look up his history. He was there banging his bible on the table in congress. Literally. That is no joke. Even MTV hated Al Gore (can you believe that?) because they thought he was a religious nut. Al Gore and Tipper even wanted to ban John Denver! Remember that? Look it up. They said Rocky Mountain High was a song about drugs.
Like I said, you were either a) not old enough to remember, or b) in a coma in the 80’s if you don’t remember this stuff.
And yes, TEA is my brand.
I can’t argue with a religious nut. There is no way I can win, so I’m going to bow out of this conversation. You think Al Gore ran as an atheist or something, history and my memory tell it much different.
BTW, he didn’t fool me, he fooled the Bible Belt Christians, just like Carter. Sad to say, I voted for Perot, and I’d still vote for a Perot over say Romney.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot.... HE WAS RUN AS A DIVINITY MAJOR!
Remember that? It was the Buchanan campaign that exposed he failed Divinity School.
Yes, Gore was trotted out as the great Divinity Student. Oh man, I almost forgot all that stuff.
Here are some Al Gore religious quotes for you to chew on:
I didn’t forget it and didn’t bring it up because WHO CARES about him. Why you are so hung up on him and trying to pretend he was something he wasn’t is anyone’s guess.
I didn’t bring it up. You did. You told someone that Al Gore was never run as a religious candidate, and then when I corrected you, you began to cite dubious sources of information to support your statements.
You then went on to argue for several posts with me about Al Gore claiming to be religious. You attempted to rewrite history and distort facts.
I am thinking it may be time to take your meds.
I don’t have to pretend that Al Gore ran on the VP ticket as a religious zealot. History is there for those who care. Facts are facts, and an entire history of facts weigh greater than a cherry picked one liner from Bill Clinton, with no context and without the entire quote to back it up.
And, like most folks on FR, I’m not hung up on Al Gore. I’m hung up on getting history correct. Whether we like that history or not, FR must remain factual and consistent, otherwise we are no better than DU or KOS.
I can point you in the direction of probably hundreds of pages of Al Gore running as devout religious man if you like, but I think you would be better off doing your own research, as you may learn something about the 80’s.
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