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To: Hawthorn

Try reading some history. The pre-war demands by the Soviet were met in the treaty. Italy tried to help the Finns, but the Germans blocked the shipments. The Finns,without any real assistance, had no choice but to settle for the terms that the Russians dictated.

You could start by reading Homer Simpson’s threads in chronological order starting with October 10.


26 posted on 08/20/2011 5:54:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

>> Try reading some history. <<

I have. And I’ve done a fair amount of traveling in Finland.

>> The pre-war demands by the Soviet were met in the treaty. <<

Yes, but after those initial pre-war demands were turned down, the Soviets upped the ante by trying openly to take over the whole of Finland.

They established a puppet government, infiltrated Finnish communist agents, dropped millions of propaganda leaflets, engaged in saturation radio broadcasting, and worked diligently to stir an uprising among the Finnish working classes. Their efforts failed, thanks not only to patriotic resistance by the Finnish populace and the cold-weather skills of the Finnish infantry, but also thanks to the shrewd tactics of Mannerheim and the correspondinly bad leadership of the Red Army.

In your view, the Finns should simply have acquiesed right off the bat — like the Estonians and Latvians did — and should thereby have allowed the Soviets to establish bases far inside Finnish territory.

We know what happened to Estonia and Latvia. Their giving in to the Soviets led to the total loss of their independence. If the Finns had followed your advice and had given in rather than fight, the Russkis would soon have occupied the whole of Finland also, right up to the Swedish border. That clearly was what they wanted, because one of their aims was to restore Finland as a part of the Soviet realm, just as it was formally a part of the Russian Empire from 1809 until 1917.

Now if you want to say that saving Finland from total Soviet control was a form of “losing” the Winter War, then go ahead. But I don’t think you’ll find much agreement from those who have more than just a superficial knowledge of the affair.


35 posted on 08/21/2011 9:04:10 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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