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If You Really, Really Wanted a Girl ... (Dehumanizing the Unborn Even Further?!)
New York Times Sunday Review ^ | August 20, 2011 | PAM BELLUCK

Posted on 08/21/2011 11:42:57 AM PDT by pillut48

THIS month brought news that could alter the landscape of American pregnancy.

Tests using DNA to determine a fetus’s sex were shown to be remarkably accurate, able to tell with 95 percent certainty as early as seven weeks into pregnancy, if a woman is carrying a boy or girl. The tests, which detect the fetus’s DNA in a mother’s blood or urine, are available in drugstores and online, and reports about their accuracy are likely to increase their popularity.

But the tests also raise ethical questions: whether couples will abort fetuses of an unwanted sex — as has happened in China and India, where boys now outnumber girls. The possibility discomfits many, and is also providing fuel for anti-abortion politics.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; religion; sexselection
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The subject of this article, on whether or not easier ways to test for an unborn child's gender, and if that will lead to unethical abortions, is not the main reason I'm posting this, although it IS an important aspect. My concern was with this part of the article: "But clinics and some ethicists say this type of sex selection is more acceptable because it occurs before embryos are implanted, before pregnancy."

What?!? Am I reading this right? They say *7 WEEKS* is the time this test works at the earliest...and they are saying that the embryo has NOT implanted by this time?! So it's basically not a human pregnancy yet, when this sex/gender test is given??? :-O

"Implantation (from WebMD.com)

Within 24-hours after fertilization, the egg begins dividing rapidly into many cells. It remains in the fallopian tube for about three days. The fertilized egg (called a zygote) continues to divide as it passes slowly through the fallopian tube to the uterus where its next job is to attach to the endometrium (a process called implantation). First the zygote becomes a solid ball of cells, then it becomes a hollow ball of cells called a blastocyst. Before implantation, the blastocyst breaks out of its protective covering. When the blastocyst establishes contact with the endometrium, an exchange of hormones helps the blastocyst attach. Some women notice spotting (or slight bleeding) for one or two days around the time of implantation. The endometrium becomes thicker and the cervix is sealed by a plug of mucus.

Within three weeks, the blastocyst cells begin to grow as clumps of cells within that little ball, and the baby's first nerve cells have already formed. Your developing baby is called an embryo from the moment of conception to the eighth week of pregnancy. After the eighth week and until the moment of birth, your developing baby is called a fetus."


So, I'm not an OB but I went through years of dealing with infertility so I'm somewhat of an armchair expert on this sort of thing...implantation takes place waaaaaay before the "seven weeks" mark...the embryo attaches itself (burrows into) the mother's uterus WITHIN a week to ten days of fertilization...within 2 weeks of conception! And this alleged "science reporter" seems to be claiming that a woman is NOT pregnant until at least 7 weeks gestation??? Freepers who are more educated on human reproduction, can you help me out here? Am I reading this wrong??? Or is it a new liberal meme coming along to dehumanize unborn human children even more? :*(
1 posted on 08/21/2011 11:43:01 AM PDT by pillut48
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To: pillut48

I agree.


2 posted on 08/21/2011 11:45:24 AM PDT by svcw
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To: pillut48
"whether couples will abort fetuses of an unwanted sex"

DOH!

3 posted on 08/21/2011 11:46:58 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: pillut48

But it is critical that we know the gender so we can order the correct paint for the baby’s room.

//sarcasm off

Genetic defect detection? I can *almost* understand that. But gender bias? That’s just nuts.

We went through a scare during the first three months for one of our daughters. The OB/GYN told us we should wait until the results of the amnio before we decided whether or not to terminate.

It was at that second—I can remember it as if it were an hour ago—that I realized I was pro-life, without any reservation.

This is just stupid.


4 posted on 08/21/2011 11:55:38 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (George Lopez is the black hole of funny. Nothing funny can escape his suck.)
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To: pillut48

You are right, the NY Times never is right


5 posted on 08/21/2011 11:58:06 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: pillut48

You will also notice how they dehumanize children into little animals that can’t help but have sex. They wish. Perverts.

NEA and Planned Parenthood thinks girls need orgasms by 10 while the psych doctors of the APA thinks chid molestation isn’t so bad for kids. Then there is Hollyweird and publik skoolz


6 posted on 08/21/2011 12:02:43 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: pillut48
It sounds like the reporter doesn't know what he/she is reporting. That is becoming very typical of "news" reporting nowadays.

From the Fertility Institutes of LA web site:

How does it work?
Several eggs are extracted from the mother by our doctors, sperm is supplied by the father. The father's sperm is used to fertilize the mother's eggs in our lab. After 3 days, several 8-cell embryos will have developed. Our doctor-scientist specialists examine the genetic makeup of the embryos, screening for both genetic diseases and desired gender. Healthy embryos of the gender you desire are implanted in the mother. Any additional healthy embryos may be cryo-frozen for future use. Gestation and birth take place as normal.

So, I'm thinking the scene from Gattaca. That seems to be a specialty of their clinic.

7 posted on 08/21/2011 12:05:39 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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8 posted on 08/21/2011 12:06:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Vermont Lt

There used to be baby-shower games of dangling the woman’s wedding ring on a string over a Bible (I think there was even a specific chapter/verse) and if it swung clock-wise, or counter-, that’s how you could tell. Another was to dump some pee in a container with Drano, and if it turned one color, that’s a boy, and some other color was for a girl. Now that everyone can tell from the sonogram, those games have disappeared, as has my knowledge of the details.

Re the real testing, a friend of mine was told that one of her test numbers was so high, that she had to be carrying multiples, and that all of them had spina bifida. Being pro-life, there was no question of what she’d do (some in-laws saw it differently) and she delivered one perfect little girl. I wouldn’t even bother having those tests, unless it was something that could be corrected pre-birth.


9 posted on 08/21/2011 12:12:34 PM PDT by nina0113
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To: pillut48

I am suspecting the comment has to do with figuring out which embryoes grown in a test tube should be implanted. Don’t know that...just a thought.

To what levels of evil have we sunk? God help us.


10 posted on 08/21/2011 12:16:34 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: nina0113

The only reason we had the test was to make sure we would be prepared—not our faith—but medically. We wanted to make sure if there WAS a problem, we would be able to address it quickly and in the best available facility.

Prior to that, I was a typical 20 something, wishy-washy, go with the flow, “choice” person. At that second, it was finally clear to me: That was MY daughter they were talking about it. The fundamental natural instinct to protect her and provide for her took me a little by surprise. But, it felt right. And it felt good.

I am not evangelical by any stretch, but I know I have convinced some of my daughters’ friends with that story.


11 posted on 08/21/2011 12:18:54 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (George Lopez is the black hole of funny. Nothing funny can escape his suck.)
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To: pillut48

It looks like they’re talking about a couple of different things in this article. One would be the blood test at 7 weeks, which is obviously after implantation.

The other is the in-vitro procedure by which embryos are tested in the lab before implantation. I think that’s the one “some ethicists” are saying is okay, because they consider the child simply a lab specimen at that point.


12 posted on 08/21/2011 12:19:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("There is only one remedy for ignorance and thoughtlessness, and that is literacy." R. Mitchell)
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To: pillut48

You are not wrong. 24 to 72 hours after fertilization, the fertile ovum implants in the uterine lining. Basically it depends how far up the fallopian tube the egg is when it is fertilized.
(One of the reasons why the rhythm method is not all that accurate - sperm can survive up to three days (usually 2) in a womans body, so it can still be viable when the egg is released.)
But 7 weeks is a retarded and weak apologist thing to say. By 7 weeks you already have cellular differentiation, which means the ball of cells is well on it’s way to being human, if it is not already.
Now, I am not gonna get into the “is a fertile egg a human being and where is the borderline” cause I honestly don’t know, and, to be blunt, don’t really care. I have my opinion, other people have different ones.


13 posted on 08/21/2011 12:24:11 PM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: Clock King

Something to remember...implantation is the actual moment an embryo burrows into the mother’s uterus and starts relying on her life for it’s own.

The word “implanted” seems to be used wrong a lot...referring to when embryos after IVF are RETURNED to the uterus where they float around a bit before IMPLANTING in the uterus lining...two different things. Just returning embryos to the uterus does not guarantee that pregnancy will occur.


14 posted on 08/21/2011 12:32:32 PM PDT by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: TEXOKIE
That does exist. Preimplantation genetic diagnosis

Again, you are using the phrase 'implanted' to mean 'returned to the womb'. Implantation is the biological moment when an embryo burrows into the uterus and continues growing (God willing) into a baby. It's very confusing when the word is interchanged even by doctors and scientists.

Implanation video
15 posted on 08/21/2011 12:48:38 PM PDT by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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Human Embryo at 7 weeks of development
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16 posted on 08/21/2011 12:52:27 PM PDT by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: pillut48

Forget gender.

I’m patenting a product which will predict political orientation.

The woman has to pee on it, of course. Like usual.

Then the new technology kicks in to look at the baby’s DNA, cross-check with database of markers and empirical tendencies, account for moon phase at birth, note whether the doctor is a nice Jewish boy, hot link to the Bat Computer I bought at Adam West’s garage sale and spit out the answer in the form of a riddle:

“Who is the one,
that even when little,
is perverted enough,
to enjoy someone’s piddle?”

Correct Robin... A LIBERAL.

So, check the strip ladies.

If it’s a smiley face that appears, then reach for the RU486 because a Leftist parasite has attached itself to you.

If it’s a frown, then you’ve got a good conservative that doesn’t like getting pissed upon. Eat properly and save the pills.

For those who don’t want the bother of the pee thing or who, for some reason, don’t enjoy knowingly killing likely/probably/maybe liberal babies... we have a new product:

The RU4OBAMA pill.

It’s a one-a-day. It uses similar DNA/Bat Computer technology to determine political orientation. But then, it gleefully and secretly releases it’s poisons ONLY when a fetal lib is detected. Relieving the would-be parasitic host from even the knowledge of the probably necessary killing.

Don’t worry your pretty little heads about the killing. Go out. Try out some guys. You’ll get (or rather stay) pregnant when you finally hook up with one whose genes can pass the otherwise fatal RU4OBAMA test.

For an extra ten bucks you can get the Baby DNA to Daddy Phone# Conversion App. Pee on the strip and one of those alien-looking product info codes will appear. If you just see three lemons, then re-dump the guy and kill the baby today. Otherwise, fire up our app and take a photo of the emerged image code.

You will then be taken to the Pee Daddy Portal. It will have everything you want to know about your cohort. Click on the “Set the Hook” tab to forward test results, freeze his accounts, tweet the image of your dad cleaning his shotgun, and register at Tiffany’s. Click the “Hope They’re Not Friends” tab to see the list of other ladies, who have... ah.. “Liked” this guy. And who have the pee strip to prove it.

It all sounds crazy and heartless.

And a perfectly legal use of Moms’ license to kill.

Ask a liberal whether it should be.


17 posted on 08/21/2011 1:22:11 PM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: nina0113
There used to be baby-shower games of dangling the woman’s wedding ring on a string over a Bible (I think there was even a specific chapter/verse) and if it swung clock-wise, or counter-, that’s how you could tell.

I remember something similar. The "indicator" was a sewing needle hanging from a piece of thread, held just above the "pulse point" on the inside of the new mother's wrist. Same deal with the CW/CCW swing. As I recall it was about 50% accurate.

Regards,
GtG

18 posted on 08/21/2011 2:29:43 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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Re the real testing, a friend of mine was told that one of her test numbers was so high, that she had to be carrying multiples, and that all of them had spina bifida. Being pro-life, there was no question of what she’d do (some in-laws saw it differently) and she delivered one perfect little girl. I wouldn’t even bother having those tests, unless it was something that could be corrected pre-birth.

BTTT. Anyone thinking that those tests are worthy anything needs to read your comment.

19 posted on 08/21/2011 2:36:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah; nina0113
Anyone thinking that those tests are worth anything needs to read your comment.

The value depends on the specific test and what it shows. The blood test for spina bifida was notable for false positives - my doctor in the late 90s told me not to bother with it - but there are other diagnostic tools now that are more accurate. Surgery can be done for infants with spina bifida in the womb, in some cases, so it is worth pursuing if more than one indicator points in that direction.

20 posted on 08/21/2011 6:47:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("There is only one remedy for ignorance and thoughtlessness, and that is literacy." R. Mitchell)
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