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U.S. bears blame for Mexico drug violence
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 8/31/11 | Alejandro Escalona

Posted on 09/01/2011 9:03:00 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy

Two and a half minutes.

That is the time it took for several armed men to storm a casino in northern Mexico, order the patrons to get out and torch the place with gasoline. Fifty-two people died in the blaze, mostly women and senior citizens who enjoyed playing bingo.

The daylight attack at the Casino Royale happened a week ago in Monterrey, Mexico. It was the worst attack on civilians since the massacre of 72 migrants last year.

...The United States shares responsibility for the thousands of people dead, injured and displaced in the five-year drug war that Mexican President Felipe Calderon has launched against the drug cartels. But we seem to ignore the connection between the high demand for illegal drugs and the violence associated with drug trafficking — not only in Mexico but in cities such as Los Angeles, New York and Chicago.

The connection is crystal clear: The U.S. represents a yearly $39 billion market for the drug cartels because an estimated 25 million Americans — 12 and older — consume some type of illegal drug, according to the Justice Department.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: drugs; gangs; mexico; wod
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Since that question was settled a long time ago, what do you suggest?


21 posted on 09/01/2011 9:32:42 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

What you liberals don’t understand is that because you are soft regarding the WOD, you are impotent in stemming the tide of illegals, many of which are mules from the Cartels bringing illegals, drugs, and millions of crimes into our cities and states.

You CANNOT fight the the battle for illegal immigration while waiving the white flag on the War on Drugs.


22 posted on 09/01/2011 9:33:35 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it.)
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To: no-to-illegals; Ken H
Since that question was settled a long time ago, what do you suggest?

It was settled by a Supreme Court that also ruled in 1942 that farmers growing wheat for their own personal consumption are substantially affecting the market for interstate commerce, and thus Congress has the power to stop them from doing that. Do you really agree with this perverted and expansive vision of the Commerce Clause? The states are the ones with the authority to regulate drugs and other substances.

I support returning the matter to the states, and letting them compete to design the best solution for the drug war. If some states decide to have the death penalty for dealers, fine. That should be allowed. If other states decide to legalize every drug, that should be fine as well. It is not a federal issue, and the DEA (Drunk Every Afternoon) boys are just as unconstitutional as the BATFaggots are.

23 posted on 09/01/2011 9:36:49 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
The U.S. represents a yearly $39 billion market for the drug cartels because an estimated 25 million Americans — 12 and older — consume some type of illegal drug, according to the Justice Department.

The whole nation is guilty because some eight percent do something wrong?

Nope, not hanging that on the 92% who DON'T.

Now, while y'all have the DOJ on the line, how 'bout axing them about running guns into Mexico. I bet they have some tales to tell, even if they aren't talking.

24 posted on 09/01/2011 9:41:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
What you liberals don’t understand is that because you are soft regarding the WOD, you are impotent in stemming the tide of illegals, many of which are mules from the Cartels bringing illegals, drugs, and millions of crimes into our cities and states.

You CANNOT fight the the battle for illegal immigration while waiving the white flag on the War on Drugs.

Do you think the Constitution gives the federal government the power to wage a War on Drugs? If so, please tell me from where in the Constitution the federal government derives that power?

If you think the Constitution gives the federal government the power to wage a War on Drugs, then you're the one who is a liberal. This was a state issue for 160 years until the Supreme Court ripped up the Commerce Clause. Do you really think the Founders would have support the existence of a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobaccco, Firearms and Explosives, as well as a Drug Enforcement Agency? If you say yes, you'd be incorrect.

In the Gonzales v. Raich case, the Supreme Court ruled that medical marijuana users in California, growing marijuana for their own personal consumption, could be regulated under the Commerce Clause. Four liberals, Kennedy and Scalia agreed with that Commerce Clause interpretation. Rehnquist, Thomas, and O'Connor disagreed. Which side of that are YOU on? The reasons illegals come here are twofold: 1) jobs and 2) better opportunities for their children (including birthright citizenship). If we would crack down on employers hiring illegals, I mean really crack down, that would slow the rate of illegal immigration tremendously. It would also encourage many to voluntarily deport themselves back to their country of origin. You need to look at the reasons why illegals come, and not just why they are here. If we get better Supreme Court justices on the Court then maybe we can overrule their 1982 decision that the children of illegals are entitled to education in public schools.

We should also work to repeal birthright citizenship. If we do those three things, the illegal problem goes away. They won't stay in this country.

If we ended the war on drugs and cracked down on illegals, the cartels would go away, and businesses wouldn't be afraid to open in Mexico like many are today. These businesses would attract the illegals who could no longer find jobs here, and the problem is solved.

Why would illegals come here if they knew that a) they would be unable to find a job , b) their children born here would not be considered U.S. citizens, which is a perversion of the 14th amendment, and c) their illegal children would not be allowed to enroll in public schools at either the K-12 OR post-secondary level?

25 posted on 09/01/2011 9:43:06 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

At least you took a stance. As for myself, standing with God, Country, our Military, and LE is my first and last order of business. Take it for what it’s worth. Fighting for the Rule of Law is where I plan to make my final stand. Where is your final stand? If you are true to your words, work to make the necessary changes. Otherwise, Take A Hike!


26 posted on 09/01/2011 9:43:06 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals
At least you took a stance. As for myself, standing with God, Country, our Military, and LE is my first and last order of business. Take it for what it’s worth. Fighting for the Rule of Law is where I plan to make my final stand. Where is your final stand? If you are true to your words, work to make the necessary changes. Otherwise, Take A Hike!

What does this even mean? I asked you if you think the Constitution gives the federal government the power to wage a a War on Drugs. Do you think that it does? Regardless of whether you think that it does or doesn't, by supporting it at the federal level, you're making a mockery of the document.

27 posted on 09/01/2011 9:44:45 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Should have known .... LOL


28 posted on 09/01/2011 9:46:15 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Spok
When the BATF and the DOJ are supplying guns to the cartels, it’s hard to dispute that argument.

In that case, give the devil it's due and declare the politicians and bureaucrats bear the blame.

Of course, it is the Chicago press so what other message could a befuddled American expect?

29 posted on 09/01/2011 9:46:23 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Do you think the Constitution gives the federal government the power to wage a War on Drugs? If so, please tell me from where in the Constitution the federal government derives that power?

 

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Nice use of bolding there, ZotGuy. Ask yourself this question"

 

Do you think the Constitution gives the federal government the power to wage a War on Illegal Immigration? If so, please tell me from where in the Constitution the federal government derives that power?

 

30 posted on 09/01/2011 9:47:48 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it.)
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To: no-to-illegals

Hahaha! If the Supreme Court upholds ObamaCare, I don’t want to see any posts from you complaining about it. They’d be using the same perverted notion of the Commerce Clause that allows the federal government to wage wars against drugs, guns, and poverty.


31 posted on 09/01/2011 9:48:03 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: no-to-illegals

Should have known .... LOL

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Oh, there’s more. Lots more you should know about this newbie. Like the fact that he’s pro-porn, pro abortion, pro drugs, he’s been zotted once already and more. Much more. All in 10 days time.

There are plenty of us conservative FReepers who are watching him.


32 posted on 09/01/2011 9:51:43 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (The views and opinions expressed in this post are true and correct. Deal with it.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
If we could divert that money to securing the borders, we would be able to crack down on illegal aliens more effectively.
That's just one of the ironies of the WOsD! Border security is a big deal in the game plan and millions of dollars have been spent, under the auspices of the drug war, to strengthen the border. Those dollars have stopped neither illegals or drugs from crossing the border.
It's all window dressing and "feel good" (at least we're doing something even if it's ineffective) activity.
33 posted on 09/01/2011 9:52:02 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Article 1, Section 8:

"To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization"

"To provide for the common Defence"

“define and punish . . . Offences against the Law of Nations" -- At the time the Constitution was written, immigration and emigration restrictions were a well-recognized branch of the so-called "Law of Nations", and illegal immigration is an offense against the law of nations. If you need a primer on what the Law of Nations is, I can give you one. Suffice it to say that the Founders were aware of what this phrase meant.

34 posted on 09/01/2011 9:53:37 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy

Is your suggestion for me to roll over and work outside the law? Do not go there ... outside the law.


35 posted on 09/01/2011 9:54:25 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
He’s not an illegal immigrant.

How Politically Correct of you.

If he is trying to overturn our country by sedition, he is illegal

If he wants to bring a foreign form of government , he is an alien.

Do not de-construct the English Language.

Marxist/Anarchists deconstruct our language


36 posted on 09/01/2011 9:55:20 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; no-to-illegals
If you have to lie about my positions, then you have bigger problems than your lack of reading comprehension. It is not my fault that we have a failing public school system in this country.

That said, I think it is the responsibility of STATES to regulate porn. I think it is the responsibility of STATES to regulate drugs, and I am not PRO-ABORTION any more than former President George W. Bush is. He and I hold the exact same position on abortion.

37 posted on 09/01/2011 9:56:07 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Thanks for the Heads-up.
38 posted on 09/01/2011 9:56:22 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
How Politically Correct of you. If he is trying to overturn our country by sedition, he is illegal If he wants to bring a foreign form of government , he is an alien. Do not de-construct the English Language. Marxist/Anarchists deconstruct our language

How exactly is he trying to overturn our country by sedition or trying to bring a foreign form of government? You think he's doing this by advocating for re-examination of the WOD? You're the one twisting language -- to say that someone who disagrees with you is "illegal."

39 posted on 09/01/2011 9:58:06 AM PDT by 10thAmendmentGuy ("[Drug] crusaders cannot accept the fact that they are not God." -Thomas Sowell)
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To: 10thAmendmentGuy
Approximately 90% of the drug cartel’s profits come from sales to US dealers

Mexico has an addict population that is approximately half the US addict population. I think your 90% figure bears re-examination. Especially since invader addicts/users are contributing to the numbers used against We, the accused.

40 posted on 09/01/2011 9:59:18 AM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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