Posted on 09/02/2011 7:27:12 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
There is a clue for you. The IAF isn’t stupid and they know what they are going to be up against... same stuff we are.
Saudi’s advisors aren’t stupid either.
All stops are out to save the F-35 in spite of all indications supporting the contrary. I wonder how many and how much Lockheed have paid?
Boeing has admitted that this stealth (F-15SE) will only be in the range of fifth generation aircraft such as the F-35 Lightning II from the frontal aspect
The same has been said of the F22...yet you defend the F22.
Jets crashing and killing pilots (F22) are what I would call “teething problems”.
Again, if all you’re concerned is cost, then state so.
Please inform us all, what are these "indications" of which you speak? The aircraft is only into its second year of flight TESTING. Is this aircraft unsound? Is it failing to meet its testing objectives? Operational objectives? What?
"I wonder how many and how much Lockheed have paid?"
Pretty serious allegation you've made there. Are you implying that Lockheed is in the bribery business now? If so, I'd like to see proof of that.
Yes, it’s curious how so many armchair quarterbacks think they know so much, yet actually know so little.
Rising costs are one of the factors held up against the F-35. It was meant to be an affordable work-horse so a near 2-fold jump in projected costs is a big let down.
Then there are issues over it’s rather limited agility and lower stealth capability (compared to the F-22). It can’t super-cruise and doesn’t have thrust vectoring capability existing or planned for in several high-end fighters such as the F-22, Eurofighter or even Gripen NG.
All the time you show to have spent in the AF and you have to ask?
The problem list is longer than both arms. Google F-35 problems. This is just the latest in a long long stream of trouble. The VSTOL version is so underpowered it can hardly lift its own weight let alone weapons load.
As for “bribes” they don’t have to be outright bribes, just political “gifts”. When something keeps going on in spite of the negatives something is wrong. Lockheed lobbied against their own F-22 because they make more money on the F-35. The gov’t expenditure for the F-22 and the F-35 were a zero sum game so Lockheed wanted the money to go where they profit is higher.
You know there will be no “proof” of bribes. Lockheed isn’t stupid enough for that. Just like all gov’t procurement, the influence peddling is all nice, tidy and legal.
Look around a little and then tell me how realistic you think the support for this airplane really is. Even career pilot procurement officers have argued against the airplane. The F-4 was the last joint service airplane that has been useful. All others have been pretty much failures. This one will be the same. Our war fighters will somehow make it work since it will be all they have. The sin of it all will be that they could have had better and surely deserve better.
I won’t do your research for you so give Google a try. F-35, problems, opinions, failure etc.
What facts can you provide that give strong support for the value of this airplane? It looks like just another gee whiz gadget to me.
If you can’t see the problems here I’d like to know what pretty world you have found to live in ‘cause I want to retreat there for just a little peace.
True, but who wants that for an multi-role aircraft?
The 15E is getting flown into the ground because it carries more, stays longer and has a more reliable crew (not better people but there are two of them, one to fly and one to help plan).
We have had this encounter before and we probably just disagree about the F-35.
Sheesh, I’m glad those teething problems are all behind us now. I thought that the problem with the oxygen system contamination of the pilot’s life support system causing hypoxia was serious. Who knew that breathing propane could be a problem?
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/toxic_raptor_f22_grounded_pilot_currency_205216-1.html
Captain Haney’s survivors will be happy to know he was merely the victim of “teething pains” in the F-22.
I’m going away now to get a friggin’ grip. Sheeesh.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2010/11/af-f22-112510w/
I used to help run the testing labs at Douglas and we did the same on the old A-4, the new T-45 and C-17 as well. Thus, the genesis of my tagline...
Yeah, and which aircraft hasn’t?
It’s not an F22, nor is it supposed to be equal to one so I don’t expect it to have the same capabilities.
Don’t try and drag my service time into this conversation insinuating that I’m obtuse. Not even close sport, you don’t know half of what you think do about me.
I don’t need to “google” anything about the F35. All you armchair quarterbacks that take what you read on the interwebz as gospel truth are seriously deluded.
There are problems, but not anywhere near as bad as you and others pretend to make them out to be.
Procurement officers? What about the guys and gals who are going out there to get shot at? Shouldn’t they have a say?
And you continue with the innuendo that “gifts” are flowing freely between Lockheed and the DoD. Swell. “Let’s hang ‘em, they’ve got to be guilty of something because everything I read on the internet tells me that SOMETHING MUST be going on.”
As for the STOVL (a correction for you), it’s currently limited because of operating limitations. We’ll see what it’s capable of once they start clearing envelope.
Toodles
I suppose sarcasm is lost upon some around here.
I know all too well about the F22 problems, much too well.
Have a great socialist workers paradise weekend.
Are you drinking or on drugs or something?
I hope you can get some help for your problems. So terrible to see a mind go wasted.
Get better soon.
Sure, it was meant to be much cheaper than the F-22 and competitors like the Eurofighter and Rafale. Problem is that it’s almost as expensive as them now and still nowhere in service.
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