Posted on 09/11/2011 12:25:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I said here last night that the California GOP audience cheering the announcement that Texas has executed 234 condemned murderers under Rick Perry was a vile, repulsive thing.
Even when I was for capital punishment, I believed this.
Justice may require execution, but we should never rejoice in taking the life of another human being. At best, capital punishment is a necessary evil. I quit believing in capital punishment when I became convinced that the state is not trustworthy to use this power responsibly.
It happened about 10 years ago, when it emerged that a forensic scientist in Oklahoma whose testimony had been key to many convictions, including capital convictions, was actually quite incompetent. I lost track of the story, so I don't know if any of the prisoners executed thanks in part to her testimony were later exonerated. Even if they hadn't been, the fact that men were sent to their death based on the expert testimony of an incompetent scientist is chilling.
In Texas, If you are a conservative inclined to trust Rick Perry's remarks about its soundness, I invite you to read the New Yorker's long report about the Cameron Todd Willingham case. When this became a controversy in Texas, Perry went out of his way to block an official inquiry into the facts. I don't believe this hurt him, either. People have a strong need to believe in capital punishment, and they will accept anything that allows them to support it with an untroubled conscience.
I understand why people believe in capital punishment.
Personally, I believe that if you take a life cold-bloodedly, you should have to forfeit your life. But I do not believe that the government is capable of delivering the ultimate punishment in a fair, accurate manner, 100 percent of the time.
(Excerpt) Read more at realclearreligion.org ...
No Justice, No Peas...
See this is where the liberals get it so so wrong.
The people aren’t clapping because people clamor at the death of another.
We are clapping because the death penalty itself is justice, and a person who says they believe in the state being able to administer that justice, in this wishy-washy relativistic, we-have-to-take-into-account-where-the-murderer-came-from liberal pap, we need to applaud such a person.
Supporting the death penalty for murdering another person, is stating that there is an ultimate price for someone to pay when they take another person’s life unjustly (ie murder). If we are to as liberals put it, value the life of every human being, the death penalty shows exactly how much society values human life - you lose your own when you murder someone else and steal their life. Society lives up to its job to protect the rest of its citizens when it executes murderers and prevents them from ever murdering again. The death penalty is a huge statement of a society as to how it values the lives of their own people.
Libs don’t get it, most never will.
That this woman had justice served to her should not bother you.
It is good that she had time to repent and make peace with God but she was still deserving of justice as was her victim.
Repentance may save her from the justice of God but justice on Earth reserved for the victim.
When one commits a crime on Earth it is committed against Man and God. On Earth you must answer to the justice meted out by man. After death you answer for the crime against God.
California has 713 individuals sitting on Death Row, a few from the Carter years.
Since voters approved the death penalty in the late 1970s, we've executed 13. Thirteen.
Far more have died from suicide or natural causes in the interim.
If we add not a single condemned individual to our rolls, it would take us 59 years to clear our backlog by executing at a rate of one per month.
A single judge, Jeremy Fogel (Clinton appointee), has halted executions five, going on six years. The state built a brand new facility just to have lethal injections because he decided the dual use of the gas chamber was cruel and unusual. Then he was upset over the drugs used but was smacked down by the 9th circus (seriously!). By then, of course, our supply of sodium thiopental was expiring and the Obama FDA has warred against states trying to locate other sources of the drug.
People cheered because there's still a place where justice matters.
There's still a place where ultimate justice as decided by a jury of peers and reviewed by appeals courts still operates effectively.
In Calif. we know the true meaning of "justice delayed is justice denied." It's something Brian Williams could not appreciate.
I’m so sick of liberals. I don’t care what they think any more.
The woman is lucky she had so long to sit in jail before being executed that she was able to find Christ and change her life. It shows God’s mercy and grace that she had this time. Also time to help others in jail before her sentence was carried out.
But she had temporal consequences to deal with that she still had to answer for. Would I have minded that such a person, changed this way, would have received a stay of execution from the governor and remained in jail the rest of their lives? Maybe not, given her change and desire to help others. But I do not think it was an outrage or a disgrace her sentence was carried out.
Intentional Marxism-—use words to pervert the meaning—and control perception of the masses.
What is wrong with our system is that justice is not swift...That is the crime (and unconstitutional). When there is adequate, irrefutable evidence—then death penalty should be swift in those crimes of gross inhumanity—to prevent taxpayers from supporting such vile scum and to prevent future crime. It is Justice, although the victims need to be compensated as much as possible from the estate of the perpetrator.
Marxist twisting—presents people as cheering for “murder” when actually they cheer for Justice and Rule of Law. MSM constantly repeats these lies to condition and shape perceptions of the useful idiots.
Agreed. The cognitive dissonance by the left(in favor of abortion while opposed to the death penalty) is pretty bad. Although I can certainly understand why a conservative would be reluctant to trust the government to be able to handle competently the execution of the correct murderer.
The point of the woman in adultery issue with Jesus was not to say capital punishment can only be done by someone sinless. They were trying to trap Jesus. If He said stone her, where was His mercy, this healing man of God? Also they would appear to be right if Jesus agreed with them, upping their power. If He said Don’t stone her, He’d be going against clear law of Leviticus. So instead He gave an answer that didn’t entrap Him they were not expecting and had no response for.
The Pharisees were hell-bent in trying to catch Jesus in logical pretzels. Remember the whole taxes question? If Jesus said ‘pay taxes’ then he was putting the state before God, if He said honor God, they’d say he was telling people to break Roman law. He said whose coin is it, they said Caesars, and He said “Then give unto Caesar what it Caesar’s and give unto God what is God’s.”
Begin under grace does not magically get rid of severe temporal consequences.
“Being” not “begin”
Then you would have no problem with vigilantly justice? Oh, I get it - you would prefer that 1000 murderers go free lest 1 be unfairly executed.
Good enough for you perhaps, but not good enough for me.
Further, since very early versions of John don't include the story at all, there's some question about its authenticity: Is 'Let Him Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone' Biblical?
It's a few things to think about.
I believe murderers should be killed. That said, I too have a problem with the State, or anyone for that matter, having such a power. Killing someone in self defense is 100% correct. But thats about it, I have severe reservations about it. That said, I am not vehemently against it, and I don’t feel sorry for the scumbags who get it. But in the back of my mind, I am always left wonder.. but what if.. and then it would be too late. I’m not the only conservative who feels that way either. We still like to see bad guys die, we just feel uneasy about capital punishment.
but we should never rejoice in taking the life of another human being
Murderers are not human beings, I believe in an eye for an eye. You murder you die,period.
The Heavenly Father HIMSELF set in motion the act of capital punishment for specific crimes.... bleeding heart liberals sure do like to poke their fingers in the EYE of the Creator 24/7.
“People have a strong need to believe in capital punishment”
Wrong. We have a built-in need to believe the word of God.
“Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.” - Genesis 9:6
Maybe libs would feel better about capitol punishment if we encased the condemned in an artificial womb prior to execution.
Exactly. Thank you for stating it clearly.
Cheering for justice is not cheering for Capital Punishment. I do not cheer when a murderer is put to death. The idiots who do apparently do not grasp the gravity of the situation — the value of the the life (or lives) of the victims lost; the waste of the life of the murderer — who COULD have been more than the criminal they CHOSE to be; the WASTE of social resources invested in this person, especially AFTER he/she enters the justice system. So much thrown away because of the stupid, selfish, evil choices of ONE person — the criminal.
No, it’s not capital punishment they cheer for, its justice. And its applause for someone, for a state that actually has the audacity and fortitude to carry OUT the sentences imposed upon them....
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