Posted on 09/13/2011 12:29:35 PM PDT by triumphant values
ATLANTA (AP) -- The retired NBA All-Star and a friend claim they were ousted from the bar of a ritzy Atlanta restaurant because they were black. The restaurant says they weren't the victims of a discriminatory policy, but a long-standing practice rooted in Southern hospitality that allows women a seat at the bar when the place is packed.
Those arguments were made Monday at the start of the weeklong federal trial of a lawsuit filed by Joe Barry Carroll and attorney Joseph Shaw. The two say they were humiliated when a security guard escorted them from the Tavern at Phipps when they refused to give up their seats to a couple of white women, an action they say was part of a broader pattern of discrimination against blacks.
"You're probably thinking: Two black gentlemen go to a bar - this is a joke," Jeffrey Bramlett, an attorney for the men, told the jury during opening arguments. "But it's no joke. The evidence will show a serious civil rights violation."
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On the one hand women wanted equality and I think it should be pointed out to them what equality really means....etc....
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I (white) was leaving an establishment and a woman (white) was coming up to the door and I held it open for her. She ‘elbowed’ past me and mumbled something and I thought I heard lady. I said “Excuse me”? and she nastily said “I said you don’t have to hold the door for me just because I am a lady”.
I just replied “I held the door for you because I am a gentleman, I think no one would ever mistake you for being a Lady”.
BTW, I will hold the door for ANYONE within a reasonable distance, whether you be young, old; black, white; male, female; etc.....it really doesn’t matter.
I do too, it's just how I was raised. But I understand why it no longer holds for society at large and I can even agree that it shouldn't under our current cultural regime.
The most disturbing thing about this article is that the men were escorted from the bar by an off-duty cop who worked for the bar.
Private citizens should not be able to hire active duty police officers to enforce their own special laws. Cops who take such jobs should be fired.
You have to remember, EVERYTHING is seen through a black person’s “racist” filter. Everything.
So now you’re equating a couple of ex-NBA players in a bar with Rosa Parks? That sounds like something Al Sharpton would do. And your gun control analogy is ridiculous. You’re the one who needs to try “thinking”. If the concept of politeness is over your head, then I give up.
Go ahead, call me a racist for saying black men (even “ex-NBA players”) should have the same manners as white men. Call me a cracker, and I’ll call you a punk.
As does my husband. You are both gentlemen.
Did the bar only have 2 stools? Why was it the responsibility of these two guys in particular to give up THEIR stools for the 2 broads? How many OTHER guys at the bar did not offer to give up THEIR seats?
Can you be tossed for interrupting a conversation?
What if you order a drink without saying "please"?
Please refer to Post 29 below. Why were ONLY these 2 guys obligated to yield THEIR seats to the pushy broads? Sounds like a racist set-up to me. I’m a white redneck, but chicken$chidt under ANY guise still trips my trigger!
As best I can tell, in your world, politeness is defined as “something you are forced to do”.
The assertion this was some old fashioned Southern hospitality does look weak, seeing as the South doesn't exactly have a long history of "ladies" being in bars.
And that signals the need to acquire Laz's opinion.
Oh I’m a star, I ain’t moving for no broad.......no class, none whatsoever. They weren’t picked on because they were black, they wouldn’t get up and give their seats up.
They were the only two males sitting. The other men were standing already.
There’s a lot in this story that we don’t know. Maybe there was only one pair of men together. Maybe all the other seats were already taken by women. Maybe these 2 ex-jocks were behaving like loud, spolied jocks. Maybe they were just sitting there without ordering anything. If they were ordered to give up their seats solely because they were black, hell yes, that’s wrong, and grounds for a lawsuit. It just looks to me that the “set-up” is a couple of spoiled black jocks playing the race card, but like I said, we don’t know the whole story, and that’s just my opinion.
There’s a lot in this story that we don’t know. Maybe there was only one pair of men together. Maybe all the other seats were already taken by women. Maybe these 2 ex-jocks were behaving like loud, spolied jocks. Maybe they were just sitting there without ordering anything. If they were ordered to give up their seats solely because they were black, hell yes, that’s wrong, and grounds for a lawsuit. It just looks to me that the “set-up” is a couple of spoiled black jocks playing the race card, but like I said, we don’t know the whole story, and that’s just my opinion.
There’s a lot in this story that we don’t know. Maybe there was only one pair of men together. Maybe all the other seats were already taken by women. Maybe these 2 ex-jocks were behaving like loud, spolied jocks. Maybe they were just sitting there without ordering anything. If they were ordered to give up their seats solely because they were black, hell yes, that’s wrong, and grounds for a lawsuit. It just looks to me that the “set-up” is a couple of spoiled black jocks playing the race card, but like I said, we don’t know the whole story, and that’s just my opinion.
There’s a lot in this story that we don’t know. Maybe there was only one pair of men together. Maybe all the other seats were already taken by women. Maybe these 2 ex-jocks were behaving like loud, spolied jocks. Maybe they were just sitting there without ordering anything. If they were ordered to give up their seats solely because they were black, hell yes, that’s wrong, and grounds for a lawsuit. It just looks to me that the “set-up” is a couple of spoiled black jocks playing the race card, but like I said, we don’t know the whole story, and that’s just my opinion.
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