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NTSB: Plane that crashed at air race had camera
AP ^ | 9-18-2011

Posted on 09/18/2011 4:05:10 PM PDT by Petruchio

RENO, Nevada (AP) — A World War II-era plane had a video camera facing outward, and memory cards were found at the scene where it crashed near a grandstand in Reno. It raises the possibility of video of the crash that killed nine, including the pilot.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: aviation; reno
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To: driftdiver

Aileron trim tab or elevator trim tab? The elevator doesn’t control roll. Maybe it was P-factor that caused the roll.


21 posted on 09/18/2011 5:14:16 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I guess we’ll find out in a few months.


22 posted on 09/18/2011 5:17:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Aileron trim tab or elevator trim tab? The elevator doesn’t control roll. Maybe it was P-factor that caused the roll.
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The mister said it was the left elevator trim tab. It was gone or not in the same position as the right one.


23 posted on 09/18/2011 5:21:06 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: Irenic

add:
You can pretty clearly see it in one of the stills on LiveLeak. Not clear enough to tell if it had torn away but clear enough to see it didn’t much look to be there or was not positioned like the right.

Sorry, don’t have a link, will try and get him to get it for me.


24 posted on 09/18/2011 5:25:42 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: Irenic

If you look at the picture of the bird up close right before impact you cannot see the pilot.The reason for that was the seat frame failed caused by the verticle climb( lots of “G”s)and probably laid him back over the boiloff system.Never had a chance.


25 posted on 09/18/2011 5:30:13 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: driftdiver
There are reports today in the Reno Gazette Journal that many close to the crash indeed had fuel on them. I also wonder where all the coolant went.

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011109180354

26 posted on 09/18/2011 5:34:43 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: All

Here’s the link
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=620_1316304331


27 posted on 09/18/2011 5:38:54 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"Aileron trim tab or elevator trim tab? "

There was a picture shown on Fox News that showed a small section on the rear of the elevator missing taken pre-crash... the right side if the shot was from the underside of the plane.

28 posted on 09/18/2011 5:39:46 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Compromise on the Holocaust would have killed three million Jews.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

They are very lucky there was no fire.


29 posted on 09/18/2011 5:40:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Yeah, he said it was hard for him to guess because the plane had been modified. It didn’t have the usual bubble canopy.

That poor pilot and fans. So sad...


30 posted on 09/18/2011 5:43:19 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: de.rm
After viewing all the shot up birds making it home to merry old England after WW II, hard to fathom on coming straight down due to a bend off adjuster bit on one elevator.

But then, he was not simply trying to fly it home. He was doing a fast ellipse in a race.

31 posted on 09/18/2011 5:54:45 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Irenic
the plane had been modified. It didn’t have the usual bubble canopy

Early models of the P-51 didn't have a bubble canopy; they had a fastback and "greenhouse" canopy. Here's a nice example:

I did read that the planes wings had been shortened. Maybe that affected the stall characteristics in an unexpected way?

32 posted on 09/18/2011 5:57:36 PM PDT by poindexter
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To: driftdiver

No kidding. Basis for a fuel air bomb.


33 posted on 09/18/2011 6:02:50 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Petruchio

I’ll reveal my personal Freeper take here.

I live in the Reno area, and drove through Reno an hour after the crash. I shared my thoughts with a dear friend. He shared his. His father, a naval aviator who finished as an admiral (my friend flew with him in juts as a teen) had at one time (decades ago) flown a Navy restored Corsair at the Reno Air races.

The flyer returned saying that the races were irresponsible, dangerous, and he would never return.

Rick old men aren’t equipped for top speeds in crowded airspace (unlike 20-somethings who spend several days a week in the air dog-fighting).

The planes aren’t maintained according to military procedure, but according to enthusiastic “go-fever”.

And the real fighter jocks don’t do it at low altitude over 10,000 innocent spectators.

Do your sh** over the jackrabbits in the desert, but don’t attract a crowd to endanger.

PS, the only ones to profit from the tourist influx are the occasion, and they have no liability skin in the game. (Corporate welfare).


34 posted on 09/18/2011 6:03:52 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: driftdiver
I guess we’ll find out in a few months.

...or not.
35 posted on 09/18/2011 6:04:54 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: Beelzebubba

Sorry for my crappy typing.


36 posted on 09/18/2011 6:07:09 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: mad_as_he$$
No kidding. Basis for a fuel air bomb.

No kidding...kind of reminds me of what I call the "miravle at Indy" when a racecar with a nearly full tank slammed into the wall on the front stretch. You could see in the replay that about the first 10 rows of spectators got sprayed with an aerosol of fuel. By some miracle the fuel didn't ignite. The car went skidding down the track a hundred yards or so before there was a spark and the car caught fire.

If that fuel had ignited it would have been horrible. (still sucked for the driver, but if I remember right he lived)
37 posted on 09/18/2011 6:15:26 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: poindexter

I read someplace that the early marks of the P-51 had some fairly vicious handling characteristics; if true, then logically, mods that made it handle quicker would probably make it less stable.


39 posted on 09/18/2011 6:22:58 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Beelzebubba

47 years without hurting any spectators

Better than nascar, Indy, the NHL, NBA, MLB and even the NFL


40 posted on 09/18/2011 6:23:08 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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