Posted on 09/20/2011 9:08:44 PM PDT by ReformationFan
If they never learn anything other than what they learn in school then that could very well happen.
Now I expect some sort of fallacy of false dichotomy that says that they either have to learn everything at home or everything at school, and there can be no middle ground.
Notice how their relativism only works in their favor?
No one, really, can be a true relativist,
and you can dismantle anyone’s claim to be within seconds with a few questions.
Everyone will recognize that there simply are things that are wrong regardless of anyone’s opinion on the subject.
However, leftists still try to push this relativism in order to prevent “judgement” on their beliefs and behaviors, although they’ll pass judgement on you all day long.
So that only applied to the Roman Empire of Christ's day, and hasn't had any meaning since Caesar died.
Carry on.
You either recognize that there are objective truths,
or you have to live in a world of no truth.
The latter is absurd. Everyone recognizes that there are certain things that are wrong regardless of human opinion.
Should parents let strangers feed their children poison and then hope that an antidote taken by mouth at home will save them? Would you let a neighbor do that to your children?
Well...That is what socialist-funded and godless schools do to children. The fill their minds full of socialist and godless poison and then send them home for parents to administer antidotes.
And...Just exactly how much time do parents have to counter government school poison? The following is a post from another thread:
So?....Just exactly when it this going to happen? With high taxes and both parents working just exactly when is this quality time? When is it going to happen even if one parent can be at home?
Children need 10 to 12 hours sleep. Even teenagers need a solid 9 to 10 hours.
There is the 1, 2, or 3 hours waiting for and riding the school bus.
Next, comes 6 to 7 hours in GODLESS and socialist schools where they **must** think and reason godlessly just to cooperate with the GODLESS and socialist indoctrination.
There is the after school activity spent in the company of other children who attend godless schools.
Then there is 1 to 3 hours of GODLESS homework.
The child does need some time to play outside and often it is in the company of children who have also been indoctrinated in the GODLESS schools.
If parents would enjoy an hour or two on the computer and social networks and/or watch a TV program, why wouldn't we expect that children wouldn't want the same? Ah! The problem though is that one to two hours is again spent with other children who also attend GODLESS indoctrination camps, and the TV programing is designed by GODLESS Marxists who aim is to destroy that child's family values.
( And...Forget that early morning rush of getting kids dressed, fed, teeth brushed, school bags packed, and off to school bus. That isn't “quality” time.)
Overcoming this tsunami of godless and socialist indoctrination is a daunting task even for a stay at home parent and likely impossible for family with two working parents. And....The Barna Foundation research shows that this is indeed the case. Fewer than 10% of children ( from highly active and deeply believing Christian homes) who are sent into the government indoctrination camps are active in their religion 2 years after graduating from the GODLESS and socialist indoctrination camps. ( Do a Google search.)
And...By the way would shouldn't I hold any teacher or government school worker in contempt and distain. They are eating the souls of our nation's children in exchange for a paycheck and pension. If they really loved children they would be doing everything possible to see that these children could escape the government camps.
Yeah! I am shouting. I am exasperated.
My expectations have been met.
It is an abomination for government to force any child into a government schools that forces them to think and reason godlessly. ( And...Any parent without an alternative **is** under police threat to do that.)
Fundamentally....Government owned and run K-12 schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.
Fundamentally, any teacher, principal, or school worker who assists with the establishment of compulsory, godless, socialist schools is evil.
Good teachers and caring school workers would be valiantly striving for the complete shut down of these pits of ignorance and government authority and working to rescue as many children as possible from its tentacles.
Would it be an abomination to force them into a religious indoctrination?
“...So that only applied to the Roman Empire of Christ’s day, and hasn’t had any meaning since Caesar died...”
No, I’m saying that when we think politically we are compelled to think as Christians in the political realm because “We the people” are the rulers. We cannot divorce our political thinking from other aspects of our Christian lives.
And it usually seems that those who are strict constructionists with the Constitution are strict constructionists with the Bible as well.
And you say this understanding that right out of the gate, the First Amendment is incompatible with the First Commandment?
“...And you say this understanding that right out of the gate, the First Amendment is incompatible with the First Commandment?...”
Of course it is not incompatible. But you seem unable to write more than one sentence responses to other Freeper’s well-framed posts.
You've submiitted that "We the People" are "compelled" to bring our Biblical beliefs into the political arena, and also that this is compatible with the constitutional principle that "We the People" are free to practice whatever religious beliefs we choose.
I'm not finding that a particularly well thought-out argument.
Government is *already* forcing religion on children and forcing citizens to pay for it. The government religion is atheistic secular humanism. ALL government schools teach this religion.
If it is government force that imposes the voting mob's religion ( currently atheistic secular humanism) on a child, then how can this be reconciled with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience.
Please remember that a religiously neutral education is IMPOSSIBLE! It is axiomatic.
However....If it is the parents who are choosing a private school for a minor aged child that upholds the religious principles taught in the home then there is absolutely no First Amendment conflict.
Oh...And some twit of a teacher is bound to say, “We'll have Muslim madrasses!” Answer: That is an immigration problem and should be addressed as national immigration policy. Also...The **best** defense against the inroads of Islam in the U.S. is to have a population of citizens that is firm in their religious traditions ( most commonly Judeo Christian sects).
You’re very good at not answering the question that was asked.
And...Liberal/Marxists are government school defenders. I personally have never met one that has advocated separation of school and state.
So....I am done discussing this issue with certain posters. It is like chasing a roach around a kitchen table. They are “demoralized”.
Would a government school that enforced a religious indoctrination consistent with your religous believe be acceptable to you?
If private schools are the only answer, and only a religious indoctrination based education is acceptable, who should decide what religion a child who has become a ward of the state will be indoctrinated into?
Absolute not! Any government powerful enough to force my religious, cultural, and political worldview on other people's children is powerful enough to force the voting mob's worldview on me and my family!
Government schools have ALWAYS forced religious indoctrination on all children who attended. Why? Because ALL education is profoundly religious. A religiously neutral education is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Get it?
So....NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. While at first the religious worldview forced on children in the first government schools ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) was a generic and lukewarm Protestantism, today the government religion taught in the schools is atheistic secular humanism!!!
There is only one possible solution that is compatible with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience. Complete separation of school and state. It would be the parents who would choose the religious indoctrination for the child whether that be God-centered or godless. And, please remember that neither godless or God-centered is religiously neutral. Both have profoundly NON-neutral religious, political, and cultural consequences for the child and for all of society.
Again....Can I be any plainer?
NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. It always has. It does now, and always will!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I do support parents choosing the religious worldview for their own children in private settings. No matter what they do they **will** choose a religious worldview. That worldview will be either godless or God-centered.
After this, no more! I will conclude that you are being deliberately and maliciously dense, or that your liberal/Marxist teachers have so thoroughly scrambled your brains and you are incapable of rational thought. As Yuri Bezmenov would say, “demoralized”.
Absolute not! Any government powerful enough to force my religious, cultural, and political worldview on other people's children is powerful enough to force the voting mob's worldview on me and my family!
Government schools have ALWAYS forced religious indoctrination on all children who attended. Why? Because ALL education is profoundly religious. A religiously neutral education is IMPOSSIBLE!!! Get it?
So....NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. While at first the religious worldview forced on children in the first government schools ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) was a generic and lukewarm Protestantism, today the government religion taught in the schools is atheistic secular humanism!!!
There is only one possible solution that is compatible with the First Amendment and freedom of conscience. Complete separation of school and state. It would be the parents who would choose the religious indoctrination for the child whether that be God-centered or godless. And, please remember that neither godless or God-centered is religiously neutral. Both have profoundly NON-neutral religious, political, and cultural consequences for the child and for all of society.
Again....Can I be any plainer?
NO! I do NOT NOT NOT NOT support government schooling because it does indeed force religion on children. It always has. It does now, and always will!
Yes! Yes! Yes! I do support parents choosing the religious worldview for their own children in private settings. No matter what they do they **will** choose a religious worldview. That worldview will be either godless or God-centered.
After this, no more! I will conclude that you are being deliberately and maliciously dense, or that your liberal/Marxist teachers have so thoroughly scrambled your brains and you are incapable of rational thought. As Yuri Bezmenov would say, “demoralized”.
I don't recall being sent to you for indoctrination.
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