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CBS : ATF 'Fast and Furious' secret audio: Murder of Border Patrol agent 'collateral damage'
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Posted on 09/21/2011 2:23:01 PM PDT by sunmars

Edited on 09/21/2011 2:30:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON - In secretly recorded conversations between two individuals deeply entwined in the ATF's controversial "Fast and Furious" operation, the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry is described as "collateral damage."

The recordings were obtained exclusively by CBS News. The man who made them - Arizona gun dealer Andre Howard - ran the Lone Wolf Trading Company and was speaking with Hope MacAllister, the ATF operation's case agent.

Two of the guns Howard sold while cooperating with the ATF that were later found at Terry's murder.

"It happened. It's terrible," Howard said. "That's life ok we move on."

In the following excerpts, they talk about the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Two weapons purchased by ATF Fast and Furious suspects were found at the murder scene. They also discuss concerns that ATF whistleblower John Dodson, who had then been moved out of the ATF office and tasked to the FBI, has information that could be damaging to the government.

EXCERPT 1

Dealer: Unfortunately a consequence occurred from a weapon shall we say that found its way into the wrong area ok and that was not anticipated. Nobody could foresee that that's collateral damage I think the term is. It happened. It's terrible. That's life ok we move on. Unfortunately, Mr. Dodson with his allegation is a pain in the a--. Now, my understanding now is it will be impossible now that he will be able to substantiate anything directly because that evidence is gone. I want you to know that. It don't exist. Not that one. You understand me?


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; barackpower; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; gunwalking; holder; issa; obama; terry
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To: sunmars

Written by Eric Holder and signed under duress by William Newell.


41 posted on 09/21/2011 3:32:57 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: sunmars
Barry's “under the radar” plan to screw with the 2nd amendment hasn't turned out to be so stealthy after all. Fun times in the WH as Barry and the gang are starting to see ALL that was hidden come into the light, ALL of it.
42 posted on 09/21/2011 3:37:58 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: All

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43 posted on 09/21/2011 3:38:23 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Beware of PaulBots tearing down good conservatives - they are deceptive weasels.)
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To: JPG

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44 posted on 09/21/2011 3:45:06 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: reagandemocrat

Yep. Appears leahy tried to shut it down. According to Fox News the gun dealer’s attornies say that he secretly made the tapes to protect himself after the DOJ attempted to hang him out to dry after Brian Terry’s murder.


45 posted on 09/21/2011 3:45:13 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: sunmars

Watch it....Hilldabeast is cackling and preparing the Broomstick to sweep the Wizzard of Boz out of the Emerald City! This time no melting...


46 posted on 09/21/2011 3:49:11 PM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: sunmars
i>I can’t keep up, CBS looks like it has the goods and is releasing it bit by bit as they discover whats going on. There is obvious collusion here and a massive coverup. CBS may just be willing to do its job.

CBS is getting its goods from Issa's committee.

It is Issa (and Grassley) who have the goods. And they are moving it -- drip, drip, drip -- to CBS for maximum effect.

The committee has clearly uncovered "obvious collusion...and a massive coverup". At least one group of 'Pubbies has learned how to use the leak to political advantage.

And it's got to drawing blood in the Attorney General's office and the White House.

47 posted on 09/21/2011 3:50:50 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: traderrob6

No kidding.

What do they think large criminal enterprises want to purchase a lot of guns for? To not kill people and break the law?


48 posted on 09/21/2011 3:53:49 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: AAABEST
Can someone please tell me what happened to my country?

We're losing - it's becoming unrecognizable.

49 posted on 09/21/2011 3:58:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (126 people were indicted for being terrorists in the last two years. Every one of them was Muslim.)
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To: sunmars

This...”issue” is a symptom of a Federal Government that has fully escaped the control of We the People.


50 posted on 09/21/2011 4:01:33 PM PDT by mo
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To: Jeff Vader

I heard that this dealer released it because he was trying to get info on tape with the agent...that he was trying to smoke out the agent. Is this true?


51 posted on 09/21/2011 4:04:47 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: sunmars

“nobody could foresee” ? They were MEANT to be used in crimes! Grrr.


52 posted on 09/21/2011 4:12:36 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (welcome dies irae)
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To: sunmars

bttt


53 posted on 09/21/2011 4:18:45 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: wasp69
Somebody help me out, how does this gun dealer know so much about evidence being hidden and the other nefarious workings of this debacle?

The dealer is responsible for making the tapes.

He was instructed by the ATF to make the illegal weapons sales. He is making the tapes to protect himself, knowing that he has been instructed to engage in illegal activity. He has had numerous conversations with Agent McAllister -- and several others.

We have been exposed to only a few of these conversations.

We are watching one of the largest government misconduct scandals in history play out. In its scope and seriousness -- Fast & Furious makes Watergate look like a case of shoplifting.

54 posted on 09/21/2011 4:23:03 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: sunmars

I am amazed that CBS is willing to do this. They have been one of Obama’s biggest butt boys. It looks like Issa has the goods.


55 posted on 09/21/2011 4:24:57 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: toast
It sounds like the dealer is talking out of his a$$. But how does he know anything that happens inside the ATF? Who is recording this? The agent, the dealer, or somebody else?

The dealer made the tapes. See #54

56 posted on 09/21/2011 4:27:48 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: sunmars

Wow. I really am speechless. Fubo rot in hell you dirtbag!


57 posted on 09/21/2011 4:33:40 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: sunmars

Won’t be surprised to see the gun dealer come down with a bad case of Arkancide.


58 posted on 09/21/2011 4:36:16 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Disgusted with the establishment GOP and their enablers.)
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To: kcvl
In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard’s Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.

In other words, there are videotapes and audio tapes among the ATF's records which will confirm every word that the dealer recorded on his own device.

Odds are these videotapes and audio tapes no longer exist. But, somewhere, there are records of the equipment being installed...so that there is hard evidence not only of the crime, but also of the cover-up.

The ATF, FBI, DEA, DOJ and, hopefully, the White House, are screwed to the wall.

59 posted on 09/21/2011 4:38:02 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: sunmars
These recordings are going to put people in jail.

These recordings should put people on death row.

Using the gubments own tactic everyone who knew of F&F is now guilty of murder. Treat them as such.

60 posted on 09/21/2011 4:39:41 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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