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Herman Cain wins Florida straw poll in stunning victory; Rick Perry in deep trouble
Miami Herald ^ | 09\24\2011 | Marc Caputo and Alex Leary

Posted on 09/24/2011 5:24:39 PM PDT by iowamark

From the bottom of the polls to the top of the pack, businessman Herman Cain won the Republican Party of Florida’s nationally watched presidential straw poll Saturday in a sign that frontrunner Rick Perry is in deep trouble.

Cain’s victory with 37 percent of the vote was a major defeat for Perry, the frontrunner in Florida and national polls, who garnered only 15 percent after wooing the nearly 3,000 party faithful with a free breakfast and mailers.

The vote also showed how soft Republican support is for Mitt Romney, who came in third with 14 percent. Unlike Perry, though, he avoided schmoozing the GOP voters, called delegates.

"Folks, this is what you call momentum," Cain, the former CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, said in a video message from his campaign bus. "The Herman Cain train is picking up steam."

That means more national media attention, heightened standing in the race and access to more fundraisers.

The straw poll is a mock election and doesn’t necessarily reflect the sentiment of the voters at large. In past years, it has predicted the party’s national nominee, but that streak could be in jeopardy because even some Cain voters had doubts about whether he was ready to be the party’s nominee.

Still, the vote is a major indication of how badly damaged Perry was by a poor debate performance Thursday when he fumbled answers and failed to give specifics.

Many straw poll voters were especially dissatisfied by the answers Perry gave over his moderate immigration position, the “Ponzi scheme” of Social Security and his plan to inoculate girls from human papillomavirus.

“I came in thinking Rick Perry,” said Tommy Langford,a Gilchrist County commissioner who voted for Cain. “I didn’t like the debate at all. I really thought Perry lost it. Mitt Romney called him on immigration. He said we have to take care of them. Not if they’re illegal, we don’t.”

Another big loser: Michele Bachmann, who came in last place. Once a top-tier candidate who won the Iowa straw poll, she has fallen from sight in the debates where she, too, fails to give specifics, excite delegates here or even reach out to them.

Perry issued a written statement congratulating Cain, saying the vote underscored the fact that the conservative message of job creation, fiscal responsibility and limited government is gaining momentum.

“Floridians and voters nationally want a candidate who is clear on the issues and talks honestly about the future,” Perry said, “not someone who takes multiple sides of an issue and changes views every election season. Today’s vote demonstrates that Floridians are energized and ready to help get America working again.”

Pinellas County delegate Rachelle Warmouth said that, if Perry lost, it wouldn’t be the end of his campaign. But when or lose, the debate performance and the effect it’s having on party loyalists are a call to step up his game.

“He’ll have to have a strong recovery,” she said. “He needs to focus on his message.”

Warmouth’s friend, Eileen Blackmer, agreed: “He needs to work on the three C’s: Be clear, be concise, be complete.”

Lee County delegate Dane Eagle said he’s for Romney. He likes the candidate’s message and polish on stage. And he fears that President Obama would walk all over Perry in debates.

“That’s what Obama does,” Eagle said. “He debates.”

St. Johns County delegate Randy Covington said he arrived in Orlando ready to vote for Perry, but the debate "shattered" that plan. Covington decided to support Cain after the businessman"s rousing speech on Saturday at the Conservative Political Action Conference. That event was wedged in between the party’s Presidency 5 Thursday debate and Saturday straw poll.

But Convington said he wasn’t sure if Cain would or should be the nominee. He said the primary shouldn’t be a two-man race.

"We need this process to go on," Covington said.

Gov. Rick Scott, who announced the results from the Orange County Convention Center stage, said the candidates “need to take very seriously whatever the results are.”

"It shows you something. Florida is important," Scott said from the Orange County Convention Center stage. "It pays to be here."


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To: iowamark

Where’s all the perrywinkles you ask? They were legion here on FR only just recently?

They have moved over to the La Raza homepage to help organize a reconquista rally.


101 posted on 09/24/2011 6:15:39 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Adios mofo......LOL.


102 posted on 09/24/2011 6:16:02 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: diogenes ghost

>>> You continue to speculate on Palin as VP for Cain. Sounds good at first, but makes NO sense at all.

Well, fortunately for me it’s just that... speculation.

A lot of people have been wondering why she hasn’t jumped in yet.... THAT is what doesn’t make sense to me... unless she already has a position zipped up.

I don’t know... maybe she’s just playing decoy.
If she is, she’s doing a great job of it.


103 posted on 09/24/2011 6:16:30 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: iowamark

herman earned it.


104 posted on 09/24/2011 6:16:34 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: iowamark

I find Cain to be very impressive. Strong conservative that never waivers from his beliefs. Loved his comments on the EPA and his hit back at Morgan Freeman over the Tea Party remarks. Cain, Newt, Perry are my top 3 ..Santorum came on strong during the last debate too.


105 posted on 09/24/2011 6:17:01 PM PDT by katiedidit1
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To: iowamark

It’s the Perry Shamnesty, Loser!


106 posted on 09/24/2011 6:17:18 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Marie

and Michelle Gardasil’s butt even more than that.


107 posted on 09/24/2011 6:17:21 PM PDT by Perdogg (Do I miss Bush? Hell, I miss Clinton.)
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To: iowamark

I love this.

The idea of putting a real CEO in charge of the Executive Branch following a proven business plan (the Constitution of the United States of America) - seems fitting.


108 posted on 09/24/2011 6:17:32 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: barmag25; Allegra

“Cain is more than able” is a good one too


109 posted on 09/24/2011 6:17:32 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: iowamark

This shows that the Republican field is still very fluid, but what was the factor that lifted Cain to the top here?


110 posted on 09/24/2011 6:18:01 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: Free Vulcan
Sarah’s my #1, Cain #2. If Sarah doesn’t jump in I’m on the Cain Train.

Herman Cain's win in Florida just goes to show how much the people want a president who is not of the beltway crowd. Once Palin enters the race, she'll become the one to beat. (but they won't)

Cain has elevated himself to be a strong choice for her VP.

111 posted on 09/24/2011 6:19:04 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Post Toasties

IMHO the very same factor, which led to the GOP sweep in the last elections...

This is a very encouraging day.


112 posted on 09/24/2011 6:19:04 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: iowamark

No way Cain won. All of us Florida republicans are racist from what the media tells us


113 posted on 09/24/2011 6:19:10 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (Majo)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

That was a good one


114 posted on 09/24/2011 6:19:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: diogenes ghost
Not a clue, HUH? I'm taking the ball and using it locally and statewide. No more do I hold my nose and vote for a RINO hoping I get a bone tossed my way.

Would you want me to vote for ANYONE with an R after their name?

I'm sure you don't.

115 posted on 09/24/2011 6:19:43 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt The Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Post Toasties; iowamark

People are sick of professional pandering politicians.


116 posted on 09/24/2011 6:20:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: GeronL

(Thanks but can’t take credit for the idea, I’ll sure put one on my car though.)


117 posted on 09/24/2011 6:20:57 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: GeronL

I like it.

Cain vs Unable


118 posted on 09/24/2011 6:20:57 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: manc
Ricardo Perry lost it when at first he went on the states rights when it came to the homo agenda ....

So Texas and New York and Florida should not be allowed to decide for themselves in regards to gay marriage?

The Federal Government should decided and then cram the "One Size Fits All" decision down the throat of all 50 States?

Be very, very careful about trampling State's Rights in favor of increasing Federal Government Power because the results you WILL get are NOT what you apparently THINK you will get.

Majority of Americans support gay marriage in poll ..... Fifty-three percent of Americans support making gay marriage legal, a Gallup poll showed on Friday, a marked reversal from just a year ago when an equal majority opposed same-sex matrimony.

Perry's position is keeping gay marriage out of Florida.

Your wish to strip States of the right to decide about gay marriage for themselves and to hand that power over to the Federal Government would be bringing gay marriage to Florida whether Florida wants it or not.

119 posted on 09/24/2011 6:21:53 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: dirtboy
37-15 Cain over Perry? That’s not just a win, that’s a butt-kicking.

Cain scored higher than Perry and Romney combined.


120 posted on 09/24/2011 6:23:14 PM PDT by South40 (2012 matchup.... CAIN vs UNABLE?)
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To: Free Vulcan
It’s thru the states we can cut the Dems off at the knees.

You made my night. Exactly! It is through the states things will change!

121 posted on 09/24/2011 6:23:32 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt The Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

THE winning ticket


122 posted on 09/24/2011 6:23:52 PM PDT by UnChained (The "stimulus" CAUSED the economy to tank.)
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To: upsdriver
Cain has elevated himself to be a strong choice for her VP.

Oh I get it. Cain's just a seat saver for Sarah Palin. Once all the debating ends she will jump in he will endorse her. Sort of like winning by default. Excellent strategy!

123 posted on 09/24/2011 6:23:52 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: iowamark
I voted for smirky-boy three times for Governor here in Tx. Cain is a breath of fresh air and serious about fixin' the problems facing this country.

Plus he can beat the living hell out of the Socialist-Democrat candidate.

124 posted on 09/24/2011 6:24:28 PM PDT by gitmogrunt (Lessons In Disaster: LBJ, Carter,Clinton,Obama.)
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To: Jaguarmike
My worry about Cain is that he doesn’t have any political experience.

As in, "Has never won a single election in his entire life".

After the Obama disaster, "Zero Experience" doesn't sound so unimportant anymore.

125 posted on 09/24/2011 6:25:22 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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To: iowamark
I am not shocked, but nicely surprised. Hooray for the man who is best qualified to get this country running right again.

I have been a Cain supporter since the first debate. I noticed then, and as always, that he does not get into the "fray" when it comes to picking on, or degrading other GOP candidates. He is straight business, very direct and concise with his answers, very sure of himself, and maintains his composure. All marks of a true leadership abilities...which his record of achievements proves 100%.

126 posted on 09/24/2011 6:26:16 PM PDT by CitizenM (Obama's legacy will be to be remembered as The architect of the decline of the USA)
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To: Jet Jaguar

HERMAN is OUR MAN ! CAIN IS ABLE !


127 posted on 09/24/2011 6:26:31 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: MNJohnnie

“Why does this mean Perry is in trouble and not Romney?”

I understand your point. But it’s a fair conclusion. Romney has tons of money, a bunch of open primaries, and the almost unanimous support of the R establishment and the old media, who can be relied on to anonymously slag anyone other than Romney. And, NH is coming up and it’s one of the RINO’est primaries around. Thus, Romney has a quick momentum booster and the money to last to NH.

OTOH, Perry gets clobbered in a conservative state after a very weak debate performance. He will not do well in NH regardless. I don’t know what his money situation is like but it just got a lot worse and he has to last to SC to have a chance at a more conservative state.

Air coming out of the tire.


128 posted on 09/24/2011 6:26:40 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: UnChained

I will be very, very interested to see what Palin says about Florida.


129 posted on 09/24/2011 6:26:50 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: iowamark

130 posted on 09/24/2011 6:27:14 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: MNJohnnie

The reason this doesn’t matter for Romney is because he is the lead liberal and Perry was the lead conservative. Now Cain is lead conservative. obviously, the party could stilll go liberal. Remember Dole, W, HW Bush, etc.


131 posted on 09/24/2011 6:28:04 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: rawhide

Now that there is funny, I don’t care who you are!


132 posted on 09/24/2011 6:31:48 PM PDT by SteelTrap
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To: upsdriver
I think what's going to happen is on Wednesday, November 7, 2012 Sarah Palin will make her decision based on whether or not Cain has won. That way he can hand her over the Presidency. She'll be the default President. Cain will be Palin's VP. Whoever ran on the ticket with Cain will just claim they cannot serve due to family problems.

I think that's the whole plan. A good one too!

133 posted on 09/24/2011 6:31:59 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Palin/Cain 2012)
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To: Arlis

I like Cain and Santorum. I also think they would make a good combo. I’m off the Sarah and Michelle ftrain.


134 posted on 09/24/2011 6:33:22 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Safrguns

I think she’s waiting for the “front” runners to shoot themselves in the foot. They’re doing a good job given the debate. Palin & Cain would make a formidable team! Imagine how the left would twist themselves into knots! Their running meme is conservatives are sexist and racist. Plus they’d be tying themselves in knots trying not to appear racist/sexist themselves. I don’t think she’ll play second fiddle to anyone, though. She’s already done that.

Cindie


135 posted on 09/24/2011 6:37:23 PM PDT by gardencatz (Proud mom US Marine! It can't always be someone else's son.)
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To: iowamark
Herman Cain bio: ■Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics. ■Master’s degree in Computer Science. ■Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist). ■Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola. ■VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation). All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers! ■ Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers. ■Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months. ■In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry. ■He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side. Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again! ■Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses. ■Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system. After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time! ■Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid. ■Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country). He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid). When you add up his accomplishments in his life—including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking—Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century
136 posted on 09/24/2011 6:37:39 PM PDT by stockpirate ("A people get the leaders they deserve......")
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To: iowamark

A concern: for the remaining debates - the questions need to be equally distributed. I refuse to watch another Mittens & Perrywinkle tango!


137 posted on 09/24/2011 6:37:46 PM PDT by HotKat
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To: iowamark

Since Cain is on my short list, I am thrilled!

Some were certainly hasty in thinking it would be either Perry or Romney. It’s still early!


138 posted on 09/24/2011 6:37:46 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Arlis

The last President who was ran a bisiness was Carter. Think about it.b Maybe this time it’s different.


139 posted on 09/24/2011 6:37:46 PM PDT by Orange1998 (Obama also inherited AAA credit rating.)
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To: iowamark
what happened to all the Ron Paul lemmings who usually dominate in straw polls??
140 posted on 09/24/2011 6:38:02 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Orange1998
The last President who was ran a business was Carter

Factually incorrect.

141 posted on 09/24/2011 6:38:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: tsowellfan
The only thing I need to understand is if the "Fair Tax" is a VAT. So far I am on the Cain Train, Sarah and Rubio are also people I can support.

But I do not like a VAT as it has been done in Britain.

142 posted on 09/24/2011 6:40:59 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt The Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: iowamark

Cain would have been over 50% if he’d lose the mustache. So 1970s.

That said, I’d vote for him regardless of facial hair, but if Sarah gets in, he’s got to go VP. I vote for whomever the liberals hate/fear most.


143 posted on 09/24/2011 6:41:02 PM PDT by NYpeanut
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To: iowamark

I’ll the Rick Perry in 2012 bumper sticker on my car. Would love to see Cain in his cabinet.


144 posted on 09/24/2011 6:41:09 PM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: iowamark
And yet Perry and Romney are our "front-runners"?

Maybe in media-land.

Pleasantly surprised to see Santorum in the double digits, too--ahead of the nefarious Dr. Paul.

Go Herman! Go Rick S!
145 posted on 09/24/2011 6:41:43 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: rawhide

ROTFLMAO

I WILL put that on my car! LOL


146 posted on 09/24/2011 6:41:56 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: tsowellfan
Oh I get it. Cain's just a seat saver for Sarah Palin. Once all the debating ends she will jump in he will endorse her. Sort of like winning by default. Excellent strategy!

No, you don't get it, but that's okay. I expect Cain will fight tooth and nail to get the nomination. He isn't anyone's "seat saver". However, Palin is the superior candidate and that fact will be proved when the time comes. Meanwhile, the better Herman Cain does going through the whole primary process, the better he'll look as a possible veep choice. It isn't a "strategy", it's a prediction on my part. Based on what I know as of today, I could support a Palin/Cain ticket.

BTW, ever notice how many posters here are like sheep? Perry announces and they all run to him. Cain wins a straw poll and they all run to him. Another prediction, those same people will flock to Palin when she clears the deck of the wannabes. They can all thank us then for our unwavering support.(not that it's necessary, helping Palin get elected is a labor of love)

147 posted on 09/24/2011 6:42:18 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Polybius

homosexual AGENDA.

I said agenda, and agenda means not just marriage but don’t ask etc.
Now I thought I was clear about that and was very careful not to confine it to just marriage.

See when the feds have to deal with the queer agenda then it involves many aspects of Govt and our lives


148 posted on 09/24/2011 6:42:18 PM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: Arlis

I am not voting for anyone who seriously proposes a nine percent national sales tax.


149 posted on 09/24/2011 6:42:26 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: tsowellfan; diogenes ghost
You continue to speculate on Palin as VP for Cain.....diogenes ghost

How many electoral votes would Alaska be able to deliver? ..... tsowellfan

What makes you think that Palin would deliver Alaska to our side instead of delivering Alaska to Obama?

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July 7, 2011: Gov. Sarah Palin has an approval rating of less than 40 percent among Alaskans. ... The Moore poll gives Palin a 39 percent positive rating and 49 percent negative rating among Alaskans. Twelve percent said they were neutral.

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June 29, 2011 ---- Poll: Sarah Palin Would Lose Alaska To Obama ..... A new Hays Research poll shows Barack Obama would beat Sarah Palin among Alaskans if the presidential election was today. ..... The poll found 42 percent of Alaskan voters would pick or are learning toward Obama in a head to head race against Palin for the presidency, while 36 percent of the voters would choose or are leaning toward Palin over him. ..... Conservative Anchorage radio host Mike Porcaro paid for Hays Research to ask the question. ..... “Sarah Palin showcases her Alaska roots at every opportunity, but the surprising reality is she has become highly unpopular in her home state,” Porcaro said in an emailed statement.

150 posted on 09/24/2011 6:42:37 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama is Priority Number One)
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