Posted on 09/25/2011 6:34:42 AM PDT by no dems
Good, hate to think otherwise regarding the Grown Up apparel.
RINOs dominate the current field of candidates and even the most hopeful of candidates...Palin!
You will be voting for a non-traditional Republican (aka: RINO) candidate unless Gingrich or Romney get the nomination.
Gingrich is the only GOP candidate I could easily vote for.
I’m down with the 9 (corporate income tax) and the 9 (personal income tax), but not the last 9—national sales tax.
Reason: the last 9 would be awfully hard on those with fixed incomes (i.e. most senior citizens.)
Here in PA., that would mean 15 % sales tax when you add national to state, and that’s a big bite out of a SS income.
Hope Herman will reconsider his 9-9-9.
Perry called some people heartless and they are tossing tantrums like 3year olds, threatening to leave the party because someone stepped on their toes.
Look at what we demand from candidates: Perfection in regards to ethics in all matters of personal and professional life; the ability to speak the un-spun truth in all matters without offending anyone, yet willing to tell everyone exactly what they want to hear.
Then there’s the ‘I don’t like his/her drawl/accent/tone quality/cadence; his/her hair is too perfect/messy; his/her facial expressions are too smug/arrogant/condescending/angry...etc etc etc.
What happened to the facts and truths of the issues and finding solutions to national problems? How did Free Republic posters become so superficial?
Still find that weird?
We’re not hiring a pipe fitter - the analogy would be the CEO position of the pipe fitting company. That person could well be someone who had never touched a pipe. But it would be someone who could run an organization and who understood the business climate in general and someone who understood where government screws it up.
Many great CEO’s are hired into industries they have never been involved with before and done extremely well. That’s because politics is not a specific skill like being a surgeon or fitting a pipe or throwing a football. Politics is about judgement and leadership and understanding the free markets and so on. All of that can be had outside the realm of elected office.
Now conventional wisdom is not always wrong, but it shows very little creativity to brush aside something simply based on conventional wisdom.
Perhaps what is clouding your vision is that you have, as you said, worked your entire life at a particular career. That is extremely conventional. Not bad necessarily, but extremely conventional.
All of which points to these analogies; an unknown could never unseat a sitting Governor in a Senate primary, but Rubio did. A sitting senator could never lose a senate primary, but Senator Bennett did. A sitting Democrat governor could never lose in New Jersey, but Corzine did. The Democrats will never lose the Kennedy seat, but they did. And on and on and on...
There has never been an election cycle before where someone like Cain would have any possibility. There has never been the perfect storm there is now, including the new media and how name recognition and fund raising no longer requires a lot of time and history.
The odds may still be against it, but that “Obama was inexperienced” or that “no one’s done it before” or any of that old school thinking is not relevant.
>>> If I need an experienced pipefitter, I find someone experienced at fitting pipe, that’s all I’m saying. If you want to rubbish that by labeling it “conventional wisdom,” then go ahead. That’s your right. >>>
Your problem also is you are asking the wrong question. We don’t need an experienced pipe fitter. We need someone to come in and ask is pipe even the right material? Are we even defining what constitutes a proper fix? Yes, we’ve had experienced pipe fitters fitting pipe - and it is screwing up the entire world. Maybe, just maybe, the whole paradigm of our pipe fitting work and what has been considered proper is all wrong.
In other words, the last thing we need is someone who is good at the status quo. And you seem to say that we need someone who is just that.
“it might a game changer.”
That would be fine by me. As a small businessman from the South, I like him for his business experience more than anything and his folksiness might help him as well. xI just don’t see him winning the big prize with so little political experience.
The previous FL straw polls were done in a different time with different slates of candidates. Smaller ones, if memory serves. At the debate, this one looked like an army squad lined up ready for a fight. Nine players. With a big field like that most anything can happen. Throw in the Tea Part factor (i.e.something new) and you have even more unpredictability.
It’s a bad metaphor but I’m thinking of the Kentucky Derby. Every year it has the biggest Triple Crown field and it is the toughest of the 3 races to handicap. Lots of horses and lots of inexperience, hopes, and dreams.
This race requires patience. We have to see what that “squad” comes up with.
I think everything you said is valid - and when I say the Florida straw poll “might” be a game changer - I mean just that — it might — and of course, it might not.
And I agree, a 9 candidate field and 9 man debate is not necessarily indicative of how the same person might do in a 3 or 4 person field or a 2 person debate. I think a lot of folks are trying to read into debating Obama or Biden what they see in these mass free for alls. Could be misleading. I think the Kentucky Derby analogy works.
Also there is a huge desire for folks with something other than the normal political experience this year, but we’ll see with Cain how big of a factor that is.
I think 2012 is a year with possibilities that have never existed before. That’s not to say those possibilities will necessarily happen - just means they are on table and they never have been before IMO.
I would prefer going forward that my elected officials have zero experience in the public sector. They should then serve a term or two and then go back into the real world.
We need to stock our government with citizens and eliminate "public service" as a career option.
All the new things you allude to are the main reason I am paying the amount of attention to this race as I am. For me, the scenario is actually more interesting than the field of candidates.
Another factor that you brought up is the amount of time available to each candidate to answer the questions. Way too little. A short amount of time will result in bad-—and sometimes completely unintended-—answers.
With the country we have today, it's the only way you'll get the 50-70 million people to vote for him. But I think we were better off with citizen-Legislators. Look, I like Cain. I agree with him probably more than anybody up there right now. But, as much as I like him, he's not going to be elected President.
You make good points about those good CEOs. But, as a rule, hiring CEOs with no experience in the core business of the company leads to trouble in the long run. The auto companies have historically done better with CEOs who were “car guys.” But I am sure you can pull a hundred examples of good CEOs that were strangers to their company’s field. Carly Fiorina, for example.
My main point from the start is, as great a candidate as Herman Cain is, he won’t be elected because he’s never held any office, never had to campaign, nor persuade anybody to vote for him, He hasn’t demonstrated that necessary skill set. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Because you're still letting the leeches get away with paying nothing. I want to see a national sales tax as in Cain's plan so that the welfare scum will have to give something back when they buy jewelry, fake nails, smart phones, Nikes and PS3s.
Not a precise analogy: Rubio was hardly an "unknown." He was the Speaker of the House, IIRC. He had campaigned, got elected, persuaded other elected legislators, he demonstrated the necessary skill sets.
In a way, you are making a point for me. The business of America is business, and the CEO of America should be a business man. Our problem is that we are hiring professional politicians and lawyers and professors to be our country’s CEO or our country’s board of directors (congress etc) and thus a professional politician is exactly NOT familiar with the “core business” of the country.
I think this is a huge paradigm that most voters have missed for decades, and I think some are now waking up to that entire paradigm whiff that we have collectively made.
Now, it’s real easy to predict Cain won’t be elected because mathematically the numbers are on your side. One reason is a lot of folks will continue to think inside the box - which of course may become a self fulfilling prophecy.
As to whether he’s demonstrated the necessary skill set - the jury is still out on that. That’s what a campaign is for. He likely will get a chance to demonstrate a new skill: how to handle being top tier.
I am not shooting the messenger, but I will shoot holes through the message where I see them.
Rubio’s analogy was not precise, but still somewhat applicable: and where it was applicable is that he did something that was “impossible” according to conventional wisdom and it was something that could probably have never happened before the tea party movement evolved aided by the continued growth of talk radio and Face Book and the internet sites and so on.
Hey, that's fine by me. We're not exactly in opposite trenches C. Edmund. I've said I like Herman Cain's positions, for the most part. And I agree the campaign ahead will teach us all a lot about the man's skill sets. I'm thinking about setting up a popcorn concession.
I think this is a huge paradigm that most voters have missed for decades, and I think some are now waking up to that entire paradigm whiff that we have collectively made.
I agree with you about the paradigm, I just don't think enough are willing to shift theirs. I have to keep stressing I'm only being a messenger here about Cain's prospects. I'd likely vote for him if he's still around for AZ. Unless we get Sarah. Heh.
I am not shooting the messenger, but I will shoot holes through the message where I see them.
And I always have plenty of holes to shoot through. That's OK. I'm usually pretty off the cuff, straight from the hip around FR. I've been called (mostly by me) an "unserious poster." The truth is, I don't spend multiple paragraphs and pages to flesh out every aspect of things I say. If I did (on this subject) you would not be shooting at either me or my holes.
LOLOL!!
Rick Scott, Gov. of FL, said: Whoever wins the FL Straw Poll will be the GOP nominee and the next President of the United States.
Ref. your Post #10: Not so.
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