Posted on 10/08/2011 10:41:29 AM PDT by count-your-change
Rossi declares te price of the energy prduced by his device will be 500 euros per kilowatt. Go to E-Cat News for details.
That would be about $2000 for what I purchased for $400. At that price solar energy looks good.
We have an NG backup generator, as well, and it works with the PV system when the grid goes down.
All he would have to do is publish a method and a mechanism in a peer-review journal, and that's enough to protect his intellectual property. If he has something real, other scientists can reproduce it. If not...
This guy supposedly got (or, in his words, "will get") some sort of engineering degree from a mail-order college. It's hard to believe that a degree that requires lab space and hands-on work can be done through the mail. That tells me he's not even a scientist.
It was puzzling to me that on Oct. 6, Rossi was supposed to have a big proof-of-concept demo of his device—and there was nothing posted about it, not on his sympathetic websites, nowhere, on Oct. 7. Just now, I found this:
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/10/08/e-cat-test-demonstrates-energy-loss/
Hmm... so, while it appears that the test did run as scheduled (I had my doubts as to whether it would be), it just didn’t have the great results it was supposed to.
I would keep my money away from this.
“The E-Cat basic module will cost 500 euros per KW”
So I was right. The device costs 500 euros per KW, not 500 per KW hour. That’s VERY reasonable since it just uses penny’s in fuel. A good home gas or LP generator would cost the same with a very high fuel cost.
The problem I see is that it produces low level heat, which can’t be converted to mechanical energy (or electric) efficiently. So it would be good for heating your home or DE-desalinating sea water but not much else.
“I buy a generator (4.4 kw) for $400 and I know it will produce electricity (or steam if I want) and run 24/7.”
Better do some more checking before you run off to the store. A 4.4KW generator that will run 24/7 doesn’t cost $400. That’s why they put 1800 rpm generators in motor homes. Box store generators run at 3600 rpm, have terrible gas usage and wear out quickly.
A side note; The gen-set in my motor home will run 24/7 but cost $4000 and burns .75 gallons of gas an hour.
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A neutrino walks into a bar
Seems “laws” are breaking down from the street to the sub atomic.
For a 1 Mw generator I can go online and find some very good bargains at a few hundred thousand dollars. And they work!
I’ll save my money for now. It was a nice demo but hardly a test.
I saw that article on here yesterday. I’m still hesistant on that one too. I want multiple independent verification.
I’m just trying to get through school for now.
“I already have purchased a new 4.4 kw generator for $400 with free shipping.”
And what I’m telling you is that a 3600 RPM generator will not run 24X7 for very long. If you get 1000 hours out of it I would be surprised. Such engines are rated in the hundreds of hours.
“If you say so. Of course a hundred hours would beat the “I’ve Got a Secret” e-cat in every way. “
I say so... Though as I said earlier, making boiling water does not equate to generating electricity. You realistically need super heated steam for that, if you expect any kind of efficiency at all. Still, it’s worth zillions for heating alone... But it’s not going to power your car or even your home unless they get the temperature into the 1000 degree range.
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Of course a hundred hours would beat the “I’ve Got a Secret” e-cat in every way.
***That’s a classic apples & oranges comparison. When the Wright brothers were flying around in circles at Huffman Prairie, the press refused to publicize it because, after all, dirigibles had been doing that for years. The issue is the underlying technology and what its impact will mean. You don’t see a lot of dirigibles these days.
All he would have to do is publish a method and a mechanism in a peer-review journal, and that’s enough to protect his intellectual property.
***I don’t know what planet you post from, but here on earth, that is not the case at all. With so much at stake, publishing in a peer-reviewed journal could be self-defeating for someone who actually does have a working system. Not only due to the time it takes to get it peer reviewed (several months; more in the case of LENR if it gets published at all). But there would be dozens of young, hungry scientists across the world that would immediately steal it, especially in China.
and there was nothing posted about it, not on his sympathetic websites, nowhere, on Oct. 7.
***A person like you could look across the sky and fail to find the sun.
Krivit is an enemy of Rossi. Rossi calls him a snake.
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This wasn't a test, it was one those late night t.v. commercials for kitchen gadgets.
This gadget is heated for four hours before getting three hours of heat out of it and all the heat from one? unseen “core”.
Hot water produced? How? It's a mystery. Confidential. Cores and some kind of generator too.
The comparison to the Wright's would work if they claimed to have an anti-gravity black box attached to their craft. But they didn't.
LOL, why not try a site with some credibility, like NYTeknik. "NewEnergyTimes" is run by Steve Krivit, who, for some reason, has been denigrating Rossi from the get-go. Krivit has a degree in BUSINESS. "NYTeknik" has also been covering the Rossi story from the start. Matt Lewans, who has done the coverage for NYTeknik, actually has a Master of Science degree in Engineering Physics from the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology. Who you gonna believe about science....an accountant or a scientific professional.
And Krivits assertions are completely ridiculous. He claims that the device somehow stored 3KW's of input power over the initiation period (4 hours) and returned that same 3KW (or slightly less) during the "powered off" 4 hour period. Obviously not realizing that even THAT energy balance, as flawed as it is, proves Rossi's generation of excess energy (large thermal losses from the walls of the device into the room, and less than 100% efficiency of the heat exchanger).
I’d need about 80 kW to heat my house in the dead of winter. That 40 thousand dollar up front cost makes a geothermal heat pump look pretty affordable.
I can buy propane for about 30 kWh for $1. Plus I can cook with it. Basically, the upfront cost looks like it would equal the cost to heat my house for the next 30 years.
Does anybody know how many years one of these things will work before needing replacement? How about maintenance cost?
Assuming that it works as described, this seems quite expensive for a low quality heat source.
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