Posted on 10/12/2011 12:03:22 PM PDT by Pyro7480
Last Friday, Rev. Robert Jeffress, the Dallas pastor who introduced Gov. Rick Perry at the Values Voter Summit, spoke derisively about the Mormon faith of Mitt Romney, making the case that “Mormonism is a cult.” Two days later, he chided Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism as “false religions.”
Last year, Rev. Jeffress said the Roman Catholic Church was the outgrowth of a “corruption” called the “Babylonian mystery.” He continued, “Much of what you see in the Catholic Church today doesn’t come from God’s word. It comes from that cult-like pagan religion. Isn’t that the genius of Satan?”
Catholic League president Bill Donohue offered these remarks today:
Where did they find this guy? When theological differences are demonized by the faithful of any religion—never mind by a clergyman—it makes a mockery of their own religion. Rev. Jeffress is a poster boy for hatred, not Christianity.
I belong to the PCA church (Presbyterian Church of America) I am NOT a Catholic, perfect or imperfectly. I am a child of Christ. I do not call anyone father except my birth father and Christ
If Perry really wants to be prez (and I don’t believe he really does), he will disown the rev. They always do in the end, they always do. Rev meet bus.
Is Jeffres Perry’s Pastor?Didn’t have time to read the thread.
I thought the verse was "call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven." Yet, just as you have, the assembled Christians in Acts 4 made an exception:
They came to their own company, and related all that the chief priests and ancients had said to them. Who having heard it, with one accord lifted up their voice to God, and said: Lord, thou art he that didst make heaven and earth, the sea, and all things that are in them. Who, by the Holy Ghost, by the mouth of our father David, thy servant, hast said: Why did the Gentiles rage, and the people meditate vain things?
Yes. The only way you could tell if he was alive during the debate was with a mirror.
No ... just a loudmouthed idiot.
“Catholics think Protestants are going to h_ll”
Actually, that doesn’t seem to be a teaching of the Church any more.
Thanks ArrogantBustard.
I guess I do because, just glancing at islam, a lot of their tenets are in conflict with the constitution, and I can't think of any Catholic "rules" that are.
As I said, I don't like being glommed in with Islam.
Also, if a Muslim did follow Sharia, under their "rules", it would be okay to lie about it.
The only Catholic mega liars in politics of whom I know, are Democrats who must adhere to the "Rat" creed over their Catholicism.
A bit vague, but it sounds like it supports your case. As a former Catholic who’s mutated into an odd duck Protestant late in life, I can’t get past the “Lord will have mercy on whom He will have mercy”. So I’m guessing there will be some surprises coming. Just hoping no bad ones because He promised!
http://www.theopedia.com/Council_of_Trent
Concerning justification
Canon 1. “If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.”
Canon 4. “If any one saith, that man’s free will moved and excited by God, by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely passive; let him be anathema.”
Canon 9. “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.”
Canon 11. “If any one saith, that men are justified, either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and is inherent in them; or even that the grace, whereby we are justified, is only the favour of God; let him be anathema.”
Canon 12. “If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the divine mercy which remits sins for Christ’s sake; or, that this confidence alone is that whereby we are justified; let him be anathema.”
Canon 24. “If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.”
Canon 30. “If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.”
Canon 32. “If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life, …and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.”
So basically, Rome was essentially stating those who believe in the Protestant view(held by Luther, Calvin, Knox, Zwingli, etc) of salvation by faith alone are anathema.
“Right.I was confusing him with the air base in Ft. Worth. Iac, the Baptists have this theory of a submerged Church —them—who endured for more than a thousand years after Constantine instituted his state church.”
This group would see themselves as connected with the Waldensians:
http://www.pb.org/articles/walden.html
Although the Waldensians would later merge with the Presbyterians during the Reformation.
Now, this is interesting. If I may ask, for clarification, and without giving offense:
I am not setting you up for disputation (or refutation). I'm trying to get a clearer idea of what you affirm, and what you do not affirm.
Thank you for sharing your time and thought.
Note the distinction between formal heresy and material heresy in the links provided in my previous response. Too, it only makes sense that the Catholic Church would state that this view is heresy, considering that it was largely unknown prior to the Reformation.
I am intrigued by the idea of God’s surprises. I have always noticed -—and it’s more than a little unsettling-—that ALL of those whom Jesus portrays at the Last Judgment at Matt.25-— both the saved and the lost -— yes, All—are apparently surprised.(”But Lord, but...but...”)
Well, that’s very nice, dear.
Some say “NO”...regardless, I’m still waiting for Perry to apologize for even accepting the support of this bigot.
He accept support from him?Money?
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