Herman Cain lashes out at 9-9-9 critics

If your argument is that all taxes can rise over time and 9-9-9 doesn’t impose a constitutional limit, then 9-9-9 will rise over time. History has shown that.

41 posted on 10/14/2011 5:25:46 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)

Typical Perry Zombie thinking. Why bother doing anything because someone can just change it again later?

42 posted on 10/14/2011 5:25:52 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)

No? How long do you think it will be before that 9% for “the rich” becomes 10%, or 11%, or 12%?

Only the income tax portion could possibly be affected like that. And yes, it is a risk. And Congress can raise income taxes on the rich today, at any time, without a Constitutional amendment. So this is no worse in that one respect than the current system, and far better in many more important respects.

43 posted on 10/14/2011 5:27:04 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)

He’s the first candidate (and only one) I’ve sent money to. And I’ll keep doing it as I am able. But word of mouth is working, too. I’ve told several of my friends and neighbors (one of whom doesn’t have cable) All it took was ome time listeing to him..and they are hooked! :-)

Keep spreading the word.

44 posted on 10/14/2011 5:27:39 PM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)

Listened to Herman Cain today on Fox Business News with Neil Cavuto...was so incredibly impressed, especially with his response to a question/comment dealing with his lack of foreign affairs’ experience. Cain hit it “out of the park.” I’m starting to become a believer!

45 posted on 10/14/2011 5:28:37 PM PDT by nfldgirl

To: Retired Greyhound

The left will ALWAYS try to raise taxes, no matter what system is in place.

Not when their base is affected by the tax increase.

Sales tax increases get voted down all the time.

46 posted on 10/14/2011 5:29:06 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)

To: MissouriConservative

Yeah, like that’s ever happened....lmao

Yeah, like those Bush tax cuts that expired at the end of 2010. I mean, the people didn't want them to, but the politicians... um, wait. Never mind.

47 posted on 10/14/2011 5:29:49 PM PDT by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)

To: MissouriConservative

I tell you what, in Washington state there is hardly a problem with voters denying tax increases. This state is to the left of Lenin, but even idiot liberals know enough to vote with their wallets. Give people proper information, and they will protect themselves. The only way they don’t care about taxes going up, is when they can be sold to them as being on someone else.

48 posted on 10/14/2011 5:30:38 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)

To: Retired Greyhound

It seems as though many of our fellow conservatives don’t like 999 simply out of fear of the left. If 999 were ever actually passed, it would strike a dagger into the heart of the progressive liberal movement. But instead some would rather let their fear of the left rule the day.

49 posted on 10/14/2011 5:30:58 PM PDT by 07Jack

Just like the current tax system. So don’t try to claim that this makes raising taxes harder. It won’t.

It’s impossible to raise the sales tax or corporate tax on the rich.

And it is harder to raise the income tax, because of the compelling symmetry of the numbers suggesting balance and fairness. It’s not impossible, but it is a factor.

But raising all the three tax rates to higher numbers is certainly harder, as has been explained over and over again.

50 posted on 10/14/2011 5:31:53 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)

I wish Cain would spend more time on what he is going to do in that area rather than the 9-9-9 scheme.

I’m sure he is, but announcing specific spending cuts isn’t always a path to success for a campaigner.

I recall he has said: 10% across the board, and more where possible.

51 posted on 10/14/2011 5:33:16 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)

will be sending next week....or tomorrow...

52 posted on 10/14/2011 5:33:55 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))

To: perfect_rovian_storm

Typical Perry Zombie thinking. Why bother doing anything because someone can just change it again later?

Typical response from you. Insult and then claim that there are only two options, your way or the status quo.

53 posted on 10/14/2011 5:35:37 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)

Only the income tax portion could possibly be affected like that. And yes, it is a risk.

Just like the income tax started as a very small % tax on the rich. And nothing would stop them from doing it again. And nothing would keep the corporate tax rate from rising either.

54 posted on 10/14/2011 5:38:44 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)

As a conservative, I am 100% against means testing and that is pure conservatism. It is yet another redistribution scheme to collect more money from the wealthy and not pay them the promised return when they are older. That is a broken contract. Everyone who has paid in must get the promised payments back. . The mission has to be ween younger people off the system and put in place a private account system. The balance has to be handled from the general fund...much of which was already borrowed anyway over the year.

55 posted on 10/14/2011 5:40:57 PM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)

Just like the income tax started as a very small % tax on the rich. And nothing would stop them from doing it again. And nothing would keep the corporate tax rate from rising either.

And Herman Cain can’t prevent it from raining on the 4th of July, so I’d guess you’ll vote for Perry?

56 posted on 10/14/2011 5:53:21 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)

....Just like the income tax started as a very small % tax on the rich. And nothing would stop them from doing it again. And nothing would keep the corporate tax rate from rising either...

What’s stopping them now? How about making the taxes more visible and on more people, making it harder to narrow down a group which can be aided or hurrt by a corrupt paid off Congress? What’s your proposal?

57 posted on 10/14/2011 6:01:57 PM PDT by rolling_stone

No national sales tax.

Period.

58 posted on 10/14/2011 6:07:47 PM PDT by FreeReign

And Herman Cain can’t prevent it from raining on the 4th of July

So then the criticism that 9-9-9 won't stay 9-9-9 for long is completely valid. At which point we now have a rising income tax and a national sales tax to deal with. So no, I won't be voting for that.

59 posted on 10/14/2011 6:08:50 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)

Those criticizing Cain really seem to be defending a tax system that is a thousand times worse than his very straightforward flat 999 plan. Strange how liberal conservatives become when they actually get what they say they want...

So, if something is bad (the 2008 stock market crash, for example), then Change™, any Change™, is good?

The Change™ doesn't have to make sense? You don't have to explain the Change™? Just the fact that it is Change™ is all that matters?

Sorry. America has been there, done that and already has that T-Shirt.

The fact of the matter is that Cain has has been bragging that "everything is taxed only once under my 9-9-9 Plan" while totally ignoring the fact that savings in America right now have ALREADY been taxed during the Income Tax era.

Since I recently retired on my own savings, that means that I have had the honor of being taxed at 35% when I earned the money I saved and will then have the honor of being taxed AGAIN at 9% when I spend that saved money under the 9-9-9 Plan.

Is there anything in "my 9-9-9 Plan on the Internet" that even addresses ANY of the current savings in the United States of America?

No.

The "9-9-9 Plan" is so "straightforward" that it totally blows off SAVINGS.

Like another FReeper commented, "The 9-9-9 Plan looks like a plan scribbled down on a cocktail napkin after sever jiggers of Scotch."

But, move along, folks, and don't ask any questions or point out huge flaws in the Plan because it is .....

Drum roll, please .....

Change™

What kind of idiot forgets about SAVINGS in America?

Or, maybe, Cain is not an "idiot" but simply a snake oil salesman that knows that shouting out "Only $9.99" attracts customers, especially when they are told not to ask too many questions.

After continuously attacking Perry while treating Romney with kid gloves, Cain, instead of fundraising like a serious candidate, is on a national book tour hawking books while the man he has repeatedly endorsed, Mitt Romney, is accumulating the war chest needed to actually mount a serious campaign.

Result: Mitt Romney will be left the GOP nomination and Cain will be left the money from book sales, speaking fees and maybe, like Palin and Huckabee, a fat FOX News contract.

Herman Cain said Wednesday that he would be unable to support Rick Perry for president if the Texas governor were to eventually win the party's nomination. .... The former businessman said, for instance, that he could support former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney....

When Cain took time out from his book tour, instead of heading to the early states, he went to Ohio to give an unrelated speech at a Christian college. And most recently, he’s traveled back to Tennessee for two days while his competitors plant themselves in Iowa or New Hampshire or travel to big money fundraisers. In fact, fundraising may just be the major Achilles’ heel in Herman Cain’s rise. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney both have $15 million cash on hand heading into the homestretch of this campaign. Cain, on the other hand, says he will have “hundreds of thousands” of dollars — not even enough to match one single recent ad buy done by perpetual second-tier candidate Ron Paul. Unless Cain does fundraisers in conjunction with these speeches and book signings, it’s incredibly difficult to see how exactly he can “do both at the same time”.

Whether you realize it or not, Herman Cain sold you a "Mitt Romney Pizza" for 9.99 and you fell for the sales pitch.

60 posted on 10/14/2011 6:14:06 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One.)

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