Posted on 11/03/2011 4:36:29 AM PDT by RobinMasters
Herman Cain supporters have accepted his narrative that he is an American success story. The question is, just how much of that "success" did he earn on his own? And is it really the Horatio Alger story we are led to believe?
During the late '70s and the '80s, Herman Cain was an employee of big consumer product corporations, starting with Coca Cola. He was not an entrepreneur. He didn't take any risks with his own capital. Cain went from an entry-level analyst position to top management in one decade. He was made what would normally be called a regional manager by Burger King. He was then made manager of a small subsidiary by Pillsbury. It is distasteful to ask, but would Cain's rocket to the top have happened without the special treatment and considerations given him as a result of affirmative action? Many conservatives are convinced that Barack Obama's rise was fueled by racial preferences, so they cannot blink in the face of the same possibility working in Herman Cain's favor.
Affirmative action had recently become the law of the land. Big corporations were under pressure to prove they were complying. True conservatives have never accepted the premise of affirmative action -- that you can reach equality by suppressing the rights of others by government edict. Yet Herman Cain defended affirmative action in debates and on his campaign website in his 2004 campaign for senator.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
I remember lurking here and admiring the maturity of the discussions. Boy have things changed.
I think its partly racial and secondly there is no Ronald Reagan out there. I don’t think that he should be treated differently because he’s black and I don’t like when conservatives let him play the race card. People don’t like Slick Willard but they may end up with a RINO because all the conservative candidates just don’t excite them. Cain seems to be more the object of a recent crush than because people really like the candidate. Will he still be around in two months? Three? Its a political eternity to the caucuses and primaries and Cain could fade well before then - if not due to this scandal, then because he has been aggressively vetted and found wanting. We still don’t know how strong a candidate he is. And his lack of preparedness to be President is not something to be brushed off lightly. Yes, he is getting more scrutiny than Obama. I welcome that scrutiny and in the end his fellow Americans will decide for themselves whether he should have the presidential nomination of the Republican Party and if fate should so decide, entrust him with the highest office in our land.
“I, for one, would like to comprehend all this enthusiasm for Herman Cain.
Is it that he’s really a capable guy, or is it just that he’s the leader in a weak field?
I just don’t see it.”
If you really do want to understand it, check out his Red Eye interview.
At about 5:40 minutes into it, he starts talking about working as a rocket ballistics analyst as a mathematician for the navy.
He goes on to talk about the Aegis warships.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04gczq4CiAA
Even on a comedy show he displays his wisdom and gravitas.
He’s been a supporter of the fair tax for years, to take power away from DC, and give it back to the people.
Our founders gave us liberty, the politicians stole it with the 16th amendment.
Watch a video of Herman’s speech in AZ -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-RQ4EV8TU
and maybe you’ll begin to get a grasp of the depth of the man’s character.
If you watch those and still don’t understand, let me know, please.
Asking a question that you could easily find the answer to, and is widely know, is not that of a person who really wants to know, but to interject the question of questioning the veracity of the point.
It took me all of 22 seconds to find the information for myself so why should we not question your intent of asking such a simple answerable question in the first pace. It just distracts and/or redirects the argument of original question.
This is why I hate affirmative action and consider it harmful to blacks. If you climb to the top on merit, ignorant people will always dismiss you and say "well, he didn't really earn it. without affirmative action he'd be nothing". It institutionalizes a hidden form of racism, endorsed and approved by the left.
Why should Cain and his supporters object to the scrutiny? If he can’t take the knocks, he has no business being in this race. If he can’t handle a simple controversy, how he is going to handle a major crisis? Sure he is being tested. But I want to find out now if he’s up to the pressures rather than later when he’s in the Oval Office. I think what’s happening is a very good thing indeed.
Bill Gates's mom knew IBM's CEO through her work as the head of a United Way committee. This was how a whale like IBM came to adopt an operating system for its PC that was written (actually, mainly borrowed and adapted) by a minnow like Microsoft. Donald Trump's dad gave him $20m as seed money (later on, Fred Trump left $400m when he died, contributing further to the Donald's net worth). Now Steve Jobs was without a doubt self-made, and I'm the opposite of an Apple fan.
We have no one to blame but ourselves - at least the progressive portion. Present company excepted.
Not just “rape allegations”,
but an actual rape victim that came forth to tell her entirely believable account, along with corroborating witnesses after the fact.
“I think its partly racial and secondly there is no Ronald Reagan out there. I don’t think that he should be treated differently because he’s black and I don’t like when conservatives let him play the race card. People don’t like Slick Willard but they may end up with a RINO because all the conservative candidates just don’t excite them. Cain seems to be more the object of a recent crush than because people really like the candidate. Will he still be around in two months? Three? Its a political eternity to the caucuses and primaries and Cain could fade well before then - if not due to this scandal, then because he has been aggressively vetted and found wanting. We still don’t know how strong a candidate he is. And his lack of preparedness to be President is not something to be brushed off lightly. Yes, he is getting more scrutiny than Obama. I welcome that scrutiny and in the end his fellow Americans will decide for themselves whether he should have the presidential nomination of the Republican Party and if fate should so decide, entrust him with the highest office in our land.
I think he is our Ronald Reagan.
Herman Cain’s positive intensity score has been the highest every week, until the week Rick Perry announced, and Perry got a little bump - then Herman was back on top the next.
On the Gallup results:
Rick Perry’s image is suffering, with his Positive Intensity Score among Republicans familiar with him down to 15, and below 20 for the first time. Meanwhile, Herman Cain’s score is now 30, the highest for any candidate this year.
Herman’s has been as high as 34.
Romney’s is only 13 - I don’t really expect that to get much higher, do you :)
I relish the moment when I get to call a liberal a "racist" for criticizing Cain and watching their jaw drop to the floor in indignation.
To some extent its affirmative action. I don’t pretend that he got to where he did on merit alone. That said, it seems to me he did a good job at Godfather Pizza and it isn’t just because he was a minority hire. If he has no skills, it will become clear to the voters. Now that all the facts are coming out into the open, like I said, they are the ones who will make that judgment about his qualifications to be President. And that’s what I like about America.
and Reagan was a just a bad actor.
“Here’s your coat. Why are you leaving so soon?”
Race relations in pre Revolutionary War America were quite good, because chattel (lifetime) slavery had not become pervasive yet. While some saw Blacks as a lesser race, most did not. Most held that all races were fellow humans. The Declaration of Independence makes that clear — it applied to all races. However by the 1840’s such humane and rational views were almost unknown, they were rare. Even Abraham Lincoln was a race separatist, holding that while Blacks were fellow humans entitled to all rights, still they were not as elevated as whites, and two races should not mix.
What happened from the Founding period to the pre-Civil War period? Widespread chattel slavery, which bred Black people in permanently broken families, wards of the plantation state, and illiterate. While their were many educated and free blacks in the North (and even some in the South), by numbers they were much less. Vicious racism pervaded in all racial attitudes. Chattel slavery was toxic not just to Blacks, but to everyone.
A comparative study of the race relations of those eras in Cuba, Puerto Rico and the US shows just how greatly chattel slavery degraded the whole race culture, black and white. Puerto Rico had no problems at all, for chattel slavery was almost unknown there. Cuba had less problems, but began developing racial prejudices and animus after 1835 or so when plantation chattel slavery became more widespread there.
Today we see a similar thing in the US — the Welfare State and race-based programs like affirmative action are breeding Black people in permanently broken families, wards of the welfare state, and illiterate.
Affirmative action and welfare policies that are biased as to race, that break up families, that foster illiteracy, are little different than plantation slavery. They create impossible barriers to true accomplishment, for either the black person is hobbled into a illiterate, incompetent, cranky, angry, unstable submissive ward of the state, or if elevated in position, always bears the toxic poison of either incompetency due social promotions, or suspicion and distrust if the black person is truly competent, because
of the taint of affirmative action.
Wow, Exactly what I have been saying!
“..... the reactions by his supporters are curious. Cain’s supporters do not want to know if they are true. They simply dismiss them as unfair attacks with total disinterest in whether there are any facts to substantiate them or not. Aren’t the charges serious enough to warrant some investigation? If you ask most of Cain’s supporters, their answer will be “No!”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/charges_against_cain_cannot_be_ignored.html#ixzz1ceGvlTbA
Great article at americanthinker.com ...
Someone willing to tell the truth about Herman Cain. Uncle Herman?
Herman Cain, fast becoming an enigma. (a person of puzzling or contradictory character)
“If you climb to the top on merit, ignorant people will always dismiss you and say “well, he didn’t really earn it. without affirmative action he’d be nothing”
“IF”?, It appears Herman Cain absolutely DID benefit from affirmative action. He was a “token”. “See we are not racist, we have an upper management Black guy.”
“He is a proved and very successful manager and made his money compounding success after success.”
You might want to actually read the article.
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