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Exclusive: French, Germans explore idea of core euro zone
Reuters ^ | November 9th, 2011 | Julien Toyer and Annika Breidthardt

Posted on 11/09/2011 12:33:35 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad

German and French officials have discussed plans for a radical overhaul of the European Union that would involve establishing a more integrated and potentially smaller euro zone, EU sources say.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy gave some flavor of his thinking during an address to students in the eastern French city of Strasbourg on Tuesday, when he said a two-speed Europe -- the euro zone moving ahead more rapidly than all 27 countries in the EU -- was the only model for the future.

The discussions among senior policymakers in Paris, Berlin and Brussels go further, raising the possibility of one or more countries leaving the euro zone, while the remaining core pushes on toward deeper economic integration, including on tax and fiscal policy.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economics; eu; france; germany
An interesting idea. Only time will tell, but I'd suggest that if the EU is contemplating this, they should think about doing it sooner rather than later.
1 posted on 11/09/2011 12:33:39 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

interesting.


2 posted on 11/09/2011 12:38:11 PM PST by ken21
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The new reality....

All animals are equal except PIIGs and they are less equal


3 posted on 11/09/2011 12:40:49 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: ken21

It’s an implicit admission of the failure of the EU concept. Time to scrap their foolish notion of a united states of Europe, but on a socialist model, and go back to national sovereignty.


4 posted on 11/09/2011 12:43:53 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

The european union worked well as a free trade zone...the common currency known as the euro was doomed from the start. Now it is time to pay the piper.


5 posted on 11/09/2011 12:47:40 PM PST by MCCC (Owning a gun and saying you are armed is like owning a piano and saying you are a musician.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
What makes anyone think the German people will sign up for ANY form of "fiscal integration" with any other country?

Sure, many politicians in Germany would sign up in a heartbeat. However, they must stand for election and the German people are fed up.

This is the last gasp of a dying "Europe".

6 posted on 11/09/2011 1:02:03 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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7 posted on 11/09/2011 1:04:55 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

From what I’ve seen of it, there are really only two paths from here for the EU: greater integration, federalism, one-Europe government and monetary policy; or dissolution. This would be a step toward dissolution, even if it seems like it’s taking a step back to take a step forward. It would eventually be the end of the EU to do what Sarkozy is alluding to, seems to me. Fractures increase, unless repaired.


8 posted on 11/09/2011 1:05:10 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
Interesting concept - France and Germany will be the hard core.

England and the other countries, the soft core.

Oh boy, this will make for a best seller for sure!!

9 posted on 11/09/2011 1:07:38 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: ken21; All

It is an implied failure of the Eurozone.

As a trading zone, maybe even something like the Schengen Zone (free movement between borders), that’s all well and good.

But a common currency, when there are so many different nations with greatly differing economies.....not so much.

Most likely, in the end, it will fall apart.


10 posted on 11/09/2011 1:17:15 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I guess this will punt it for another year until France and Germany themselves go belly up.


11 posted on 11/09/2011 1:18:09 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601; AnAmericanAbroad

Hey, this might be a GOOD thing!!! Maybe Germany won’t get that every-25-or-so-year itch to go kick some Frenchy-Frenchy-Frenchyman butt if they’re allied...

So it’ll be good for the Frenchies!!!!

Just sayin’....


12 posted on 11/09/2011 1:23:55 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Cool. This would be a resurrection of the Frankish Empire.


13 posted on 11/09/2011 1:33:54 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: NFHale

Unless France goes belly up, then Germany might get the itch to conquer. FWIW, both countries have their own debt problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_public_debt


14 posted on 11/09/2011 1:35:46 PM PST by wolfman23601
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“...Unless France goes belly up, then Germany might get the itch to conquer. ...”

Q: Why did the French plant so many trees in Paris...

A: So the Germans could march in the Shade.

(baddabing!)

My old man (WWII Airborne) helped liberate those people. He said the resentment in the air of Americans was tangible. I guess when you get nationally humiliated three times in the course of a century and a half (1870, 1914, 1940) that you just naturally hate anyone that pulls your fat out of the fire.

Belgians, on the other hand, Dad said they loved our guys; took them into their homes, fed them, etc.

What a difference...and Belgians are a mix of both German and French cultures, I believe...go figure, right?

They may be different now, but...gratitude it seems, was in short supply while the old man was there. Except for the hookers...they LOVED “les rich Amis”...


15 posted on 11/09/2011 1:42:53 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

In Medieval times, Belgium was Flanders, which was independent of both France and Germany. The French kings claimed the territory, but the Flemish did their own thing, even siding with England in the Hundred Years War. I’m not schooled enough in history to know how they became Belgium.


16 posted on 11/09/2011 2:04:29 PM PST by wolfman23601
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I have friends in Belgium that tend the war graves of American WWII dead. They’re damned good people. They have a reverence for our people that is amazing.

They have the unfortunate geographical situation of being on the natural invasion route into France, by Germany. The Germans did it twice in two wars...and the Belgians citizens paid a terrible price.


17 posted on 11/09/2011 2:21:12 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Dutch and French.


18 posted on 11/09/2011 2:33:23 PM PST by expatpat
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To: wolfman23601

Unless France goes belly up, then Germany might get the itch to conquer
The German elites have had that itch for a while.
19 posted on 11/09/2011 2:36:31 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: expatpat

“...Dutch and French...”

Thank you, friend!!


20 posted on 11/09/2011 2:37:20 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: haroldeveryman

Since we now know Sarkozy hates Bibi, Franco-Persian seems more likely.


21 posted on 11/09/2011 2:46:44 PM PST by itsahoot (There was a bloodless coup in 08, and no one seemed to notice. God help us.)
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To: MCCC
The european union worked well as a free trade zone...

Yes, it did, but it was free trade with significant exceptions restricted to other European countries that agreed to the significant exceptions. The Euros have always tried to rig the game.

Imagine if they just gave it up and opened their economies to competition. Yeah, I know, I can't, either.

22 posted on 11/09/2011 3:48:02 PM PST by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Call it the Franco-German Suicide Pact.


23 posted on 11/09/2011 7:41:50 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: wolfman23601
The Low-land countries (Netherlands and Belgium) were part of the Holy Roman Empire, and when the Hapsburgs split into the Austrian and Spanish, the low-lands were given to Spain

They fought for their independence using French help and the French claimed the southern part (belgium) for their own.

Then in the late 1700s-1800s after the defeat of Napoleon, the south and north low-lands were united in the United Kingdom of the netherlands.

however, the dutch Calvinists discriminated heavily against the Catholic flemish and in 1830 they seceeded and became the country of Belgium (naming themselves after the Celtic tribe that had lived in the netherlands when Caesar invaded -- you know the one he talked about in his commentaries "Gallia jest omnis divisa in partes tres. Unum quarum incolent Belgia, aliam Acquitanie, tertium qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Gallia apelantur") and took a Germanic prince as king...

24 posted on 11/10/2011 5:00:04 AM PST by Cronos
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To: NFHale
He said the resentment in the air of Americans was tangible... you just naturally hate anyone that pulls your fat out of the fire.

That would mirror the thoughts of my late father

Belgians, on the other hand, Dad said they loved our guys; took them into their homes, fed them, etc.

Again agreed. - Dad had to crash land his B17 in a field just outside Ghent, Belgium. - They assisted 100% in a wild escape of Dad and his crew in a dash to the channel where they were picked up by a C47 rescue aircraft.

you can zoom in & read his story here:

from the book, 452nd Bombardment Group

What a difference...and Belgians are a mix of both German and French cultures, I believe...go figure, right?

I was in the Ghent area for some time in the 90s & there appears to be a division between the Northern & Southern areas of the country. Where we were, it would not be good to be associated with the French :)

25 posted on 11/10/2011 5:45:44 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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Thank you for posting the wonderful story of your father. God bless him. He looks “salty” as can be in that picture; an All-American airman... the best America had...

I am constantly reminded how many of us are still touched by that generation and what they went through.

To me, they’re giants. My father was, and remains, my greatest hero.

My old man was wounded in a vicious firefight in the Ardennes in January 1945; he was laying on the ground, in the freezing temps and the snow, bleeding from a bunch of shell splinter holes and a bullet wound. Two of his best buddies, both now deceased, dragged him back down the ridge they were trying to assault, and into the woods, out of the line of fire, where medics got him squared away. He would have died out there had his friends not dragged him out of further harm.

I spoke with one of the buddies that had saved my father that day, back in the mid-90s; as my father had passed away when I was a teen, everything I learned about his wounding was from a long search and conversations with his buddies. This fine Airborne gentleman took the time and spoke with me for about three or four hours on the telephone, and told me all that happened to my old man those many long years ago.

He passed away two Christmases ago; a wonderful man, with a wonderful family, who lived a long, full life. I am friends with two of his sons, one of whom is 82nd AB to this day.

Dad NEVER told my mom what happened to him, only that he had been wounded and that was it. He told her “funny” stories only, humorous incidents, etc.

We owe these guys the remembrance of them and their deeds. They were the best and bravest of America, and a remarkable generation of people.

It kills me that they’re leaving us...but it is the way of things.

Our task is that we make damn sure they’re remembered, and that the left doesn’t rewrite that chapter of their lives and their amazing rescue of the World from socialist totalitarianism.


26 posted on 11/10/2011 9:23:32 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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