Posted on 11/09/2011 7:30:27 PM PST by Colofornian
Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.
The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.
But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.
One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower...
(Excerpt) Read more at newser.com ...
Show me where due process exists in employment law regarding institutional policies.
At my employer, if I witness a physical altercation between two other employees, I am required to report it not only to my direct superior, but separately to HR as well. You just don't get it do you?
The leftist teacher's union has obviously worked its magic on your soul.
Nobody is blaming many people. Myself, I am blaming a total of seven people. Sandusky, Paterno, McQuerry, Curley, Schultz, Spanier, and the late Mr. Gricar.
Just think - if this was San Francisco State University, Sandusky would get a statue and a gay pride parade.
In the grand jury finding there was a story about a janitor catching Sandusky with one of the kids. Apparently he was so upset about it he nearly had a heart attack. He told his co-workers and his boss but no one did anything. Apparently everyone was afraid of losing their job. Imagine what kind of atmosphere of intimidation must have existed at the football facilities for all of them to think that.
So the President of PSU and the AD COULD have told Paterno to keep his mouth shut or he, and his sons, would be fired?
“We’ll never know for certain what was or was not said, and anyone who claims they know for certain is just telling the story they want to tell.”
Could it be Joe is really a victim? IT’S POSSIBLE!! LOL!
UPark alert :: Police issue official dispersal order for Old Main, downtown State College. Everyone must vacate both areas immediately.
From the Penn State Facebook Page 15 minutes ago...
The enablers are “mandated reporters” (well, some may be). They actually do face potential criminal charges. Most on this thread seem to have those convictions completed as well already. But ask yourself,why does PSU hand down these punishments within HOURS of the facts coming to light? And why are the punishments beyond what most mandated reporrters (like teachers, police, and social workers) get for their first failure to report? I believe that we’re just feeding a media circus, and that, if it was not a famous coach, then the punishments would’ve taken months, would not have involved firings, and would have been left to the police and the courts to hand out the first responses, and the school can act upon those factual findings, done under oath and with proper civil procedure. Why abandon them here?
Penn State should cancel the rest of the season and maybe next year too. Am I am (was) a big fan of Penn State football.
“I’m a Michigan State alum. My boss is a U of M alum.”
A State and UM grand agreeing on ANYTHING college-related is a hell of a statement, in itself...
And thank you for that.... But read the thread... Some pause in their personal attacks on me to suggest bulldozing the university campus, others say that college sports as a whole will be affected, etc etc etc.. These are the reactionaries that I’m primarily responding to
Very well -- and very succinctly put, Mrs. Lougitude.
'Teach,' though aiding and abetting is criminal, "Enablement" in and of itself isn't necessarily a criminal charge, right?
Employees can be held accountable for enabling an abuser to go on abusing. It doesn't have to bleed over into the criminal, tho the DA looks at that & can consider where it has bled over.
The Board doesn't have to wait for a legal determination of enabling. It can simply act on...
...entrenched enablement,
...ethical violations (violation of NCAA bylaw 2.4),
...failure to report issues that leave them civilly exposed,
...dereliction of duty [failure to strongly encourage underlings to do their civic duty -- like report crimes when those above you have ducked their legal duty...McQueary was such an underling of Paterno],
...immoral failures to act in common-sense ways,
...etc.
Scary thing I hate to say is that prior to last week Sandusky and any others involved could have passed a background check to work with children anywhere today.
I have resented the heck out of background checks for that very reason. The sneaky creeps that do these sort of acts are just that — sneaky creeps who have never been caught or prosecuted —until the damage has been done...
In the meantime many good people avoid working with kids for that very reason, that people assume they might be a sneaky creep.
People wanting to be positive role models never place themselves to be alone with children in order to avoid any false accusations. We know what the media can do to a good man’s reputation in no time.
This situation was just the opposite...the guy evidentally was so sick that others knew of his doings, and those others did nothing.
More extensive background checks (that do absolutely no good in the most extreme cases) coming to us all thanks to this situation.
“As another poster said earlier today, the entire campus of PSU needs to be bulldozed and burned to the ground.”
Nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
I’ve lived in a small town before and so much gets swept under the rug depending on the power/money you have. I thought that was just sour grapes from those who are jealous of others but it is true - it happens often. Few will stand up for what is right.
You think that Due Process ISNT a part of Employment Law?!?! Especially in public institutions?!?! Wow. Okay. Not much point in going on after that. (hint: it is)
That wasn't a security guard but a University Police detective. That warning was just about all that came out of an official police investigation into allegations of child molestation.
The fact that the law didn't bring charges against Sandusky is one of the things that make me feel sympathetic towards the position Paterno found himself in.
Interesting tweet from just a minute ago:
“Penn State students, when you see how much tuition rises next year know that some of it is to cover the liabilities from tonight. #Morons”
I listened to Hugh Hewitt read from it on the way home from work this evening. He had a caller on air who was defending Joe Paterno. Hewitt announced on air that he was about to read from the report and pleaded that anyone who was squeamish or had children around to please turn off their radios. In the next 20 seconds, I became sick to my stomach. As the father of a seven-year-old, I filled with rage listening to the graphic account of a sexual assault on a boy only three years older than my son. To learn that this man was not stopped on the spot for doing what he did truly saddens me beyond repair. As someone else has already said, the entire campus should be burnt to the ground and bulldozed over. And all those who had knowledge of this but did nothing should spend the rest of their remaining lives in prison, so that they can learn firsthand what it was like for that ten-year-old boy.
Thank you for that post. It strikes me as odd that no one is talking about the sickness in our society when men of positions of trust can do such a thing; and it seems to get worse with each passing day.
We need national revival, starting with repentence, crying out to the Lord to help us out of this darkness.
Good enough? ROFL
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