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Posted on 11/11/2011 4:42:22 PM PST by Johnny B.
E-Cat Technology by Andrea Rossi of Leonardo Corporation
The Video is entitled, “Cold Fusion: Physcists Sven Kullander and Hanno Essén interviewed about the Rossi-Focardi cell”
Here’s the English transcript:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece
The translation to the second link above, which is an invitation to a lecture in a week, in part reads:
But maybe all these planned large-scale facilities will compete with small reactors that could be the private property of every man and woman. Cold fusion has been developed recently in Bologna can be housed in an apparatus which is not much bigger than a coffee maker and generating energy only with a few teaspoons of nickel powder.
An intensive discussion on the net have questioned the experiment in Bologna mainly because it can not be explained by the established nuclear physics theory. It has also been speculated that the derivative produced heat energy must have been greatly overestimated mainly by an overestimation of the buildup of steam. At the lecture, these issues will be treated in order to gain a better understanding of the experiment in Bologna. ”
It’s time for the nay-sayers to discredit some Swedish scientists too.
*** The statue is still there. You can go see it now.And yet hundreds of live witnesses, and millions of TV viewers saw it disappear. That is far more convincing than anything Rossi has done, and yet it was obviously a trick.
Similarly, you can prove that Rossi is a fraud by getting a buncha buddies together and buying one.I'm not in the habit of giving my money to con artists. Don't let me stop you, though.
That leaves only 2 possibilities. Either Rossi is a scam artist or it’s the real deal.I would agree with this statement. I suppose it's possible that Rossi is completely psychotic, but I don't believe that.
Rossi's claims are so grandiose that they can't be based on honest error. He claims to have heated his factory for six months with his E-Cat, using only a single charge of "fuel". This would be exactly the kind of demonstration that the skeptics have been begging for.
Too bad that Rossi has absolutely no evidence that he has actually done this.
The Video is entitled, “Cold Fusion: Physcists Sven Kullander and Hanno Essén interviewed about the Rossi-Focardi cell”I find it interesting that in the video, it's clear that their support of Rossi is based entirely on believing everything that Rossi says. For example, they mention that he has "heated his factory for a year using the E-Cat". Unfortunately, there is no actual evidence that he has done anything like this.
Scientists work on the assumption that their peers are honest. This is necessary to avoid having to start each experiment from first principles. However, it leaves very little protection against fraud.
The solution to detecting fraud is to have others repeat experiments and verify similar results. However, Rossi refuses to allow this to happen. Therefore, Rossi is "cheating" the scientific process.
He is welcome to do so, but as long as he does, any claims he makes should be disregarded.
Seriously? You should know by now that my skepticism of Rossi's claims is based completely in science. It is not up to me to prove that the non-scientist Rossi's claims of having achieved transmutation of elements in a way incompatible with the laws of physics; it is up to Rossi to show that he has. I've even discussed the nature of the easily obtained evidence that would support such a claim. And he has shown nothing yet.
As far as feelings go, when I see someone whose behavior patterns are objectively similar to those displayed by con artists in the past--that is, e.g., I can read that a past con artist always had some explanation as to why his "invention" could not be tested by an independent party, and Rossi also does not allow testing by an independent party--then it is safe to say that I have a feeling that Rossi will, in fact, engage in another behavior that is consistent with that of con men. I cannot have objective evidence of an action that will occur in the future.
That last sentence actually exists in a bit of a grey area. A few months ago, the claims were that this device was going to replace all known methods of power generation, and that power plant operators might as well start dismantling their plants, since they were about to be made obsolete. But now, the claim is only that the device is a heater, with power generation still in the future. So it does almost appear that Rossi is already engaged in the behavior of promising that the big breakthrough is just around the corner.
I recall the brilliant scientists of MIT when Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann were hard at work. Openly, they derided him in the extreme. Behind the scenes, they filed a slug of patents on ways to possibly use the technology. We have a world of blithering hypocrites. Something like powered flight comes along and the rage to stop it and deny it because God didn’t give man wings becomes fervent.
I recall the brilliant scientists of MIT when Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann were hard at work. Openly, they derided him in the extreme. Behind the scenes, they filed a slug of patents on ways to possibly use the technology.Wow! I don't know who that rant is aimed at, but if you really hate MIT that much, here's something to cheer you up:
All those patents you say they got when Pons and Fleischmann were getting all of their publicity have by now expired, presumably without ever earning MIT so much as a penny.
Much prettier than the last attempt. This one drops the escrow account part, but does claim to ship in three months.
(Posted to Kevmo to pass on to the Cold Fusion ping list.)
Kevmo: That leaves only 2 possibilities. Either Rossi is a scam artist or it’s the real deal.
JB: I would agree with this statement. ... Rossi’s claims are so grandiose that they can’t be based on honest error.
***Good, then determining the truth will be easier. All this focus on measurements that only make 10% difference are meaningless. Eventually this will be either found out or accepted as real. The proliferation of buyers works against the scam hypothesis.
He claims to have heated his factory for six months with his E-Cat, using only a single charge of “fuel”. This would be exactly the kind of demonstration that the skeptics have been begging for.
***And if I were a buyer, I would insist on seeing it.
Too bad that Rossi has absolutely no evidence that he has actually done this.
***His buyers represent all the evidence he cares about. One thing this suggests is that Rossi easily could give a convincing demo to skeptics, but has chosen not to. I sometimes think this is a mistake but the Wright brothers were in the same position in 1905 when there was a steady stream of visitors asking for demos; their only requirement was that if they showed the device could fly, the person would be buying some units. No one accepted those conditions for 2 years. So, Rossi is doing the same thing.
Seriously?
***Yes, seriously. It is obvious that your objection to this development comes from emotion rather than critical & rational thinking.
It is not up to me to prove that the non-scientist Rossi’s claims of having achieved transmutation of elements in a way incompatible with the laws of physics; it is up to Rossi to show that he has.
***Rossi would be claiming no more than what several other LENR Researchers have seen.
Mizuno, T., Nuclear Transmutation: The Reality of Cold Fusion. 1998: Infinite Energy Press.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?mode=books&tag=thedesmoinescity&keyword=Nuclear+Transmutation+Cold+Fusion
A few months ago, the claims were that this device was going to replace all known methods of power generation, and that power plant operators might as well start dismantling their plants, since they were about to be made obsolete.
***Grandiosity appears to be part of the process of introducing new technology. The interesting thing here is, if this is real, those claims are correct.
But now, the claim is only that the device is a heater, with power generation still in the future.
***Rossi has been claiming all along that the first generation of ecats would be heaters.
So it does almost appear that Rossi is already engaged in the behavior of promising that the big breakthrough is just around the corner.
***If it “almost appears” to be the case then your writing would be far more emotionally cautious. Instead, you get a feeling that he’s a con artist and you go with it. In the field of LENR, we are lucky to see a good demo once every year or 2. Rossi has given 10 demos in the last year. His big breakthrough has already taken place, in that he got a customer to put cash on the barrel head for a LENR device. No one else even claims this. Now the ultraskeptics claim that there isn’t even a customer. The more customers there are, the wider the conspiracy theory becomes, until that theory pops like a balloon.
While you want to jump all over me for stating that I have a feeling that Rossi will engage in other con man behaviors, given the objectively observable con man behaviors he has already engaged, it is clear to me that your support of his claims is purely emotional.
Making excuse after excuse for his behavior, even after many people have pointed out the various ways in which Rossi doesn’t, as they say, “pass the smell test” is purely an emotional behavior.
I have to wonder, what is your motivation?
I hope you didn’t invest in it (and I mean actual investment, not playing around at some betting website).
It’s obvious your focus is on emotion because not one of your questions is about the science behind this development.
Oh, I've questioned the "science" here many times.
“science”
***Emotionally charged, about what one would expect from someone approaching this subject leading with their emotions.
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