Posted on 11/14/2011 6:58:25 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
while i agree with you we cant forget the politics involved. Ohio just voted down 2 to 1 the bill that would have neutered the union. for someone who isn’t a politician Cain is making the smartest move. it is clear from his other positions that he does not prefer them but at this time he sees them as a reality that must be accepted for the moment and dealt with. lets see newt and crew win the whitehouse without Ohio.
Has anyone asked Mr. Cain SPECIFICALLY about bargaining for benefits, as opposed to wages?
Just give it a few days. Cain will likely correct it and tell us exactly what he meant.
The video that you’ve been attacking, which you hadn’t viewed earlier, showing Cain in a for-print interview.
He want’s it both ways... I think!
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/11/14/videos_cain_self-destructs_on_libya,_unions
Public employees of any kind should not be allowed as thug empires. I can accept public employees making a united case for some purpose that will pass the test of public opinion.
Who is your man???? Perry....,
As if your canidadate is any better.... LMAO!
That's what I'm talking about ~ when it comes to human beings in a state of freedom, there will be bad actors, and you must maintain constant vigilance else they will take over and create situations you never dreamed of.
There's absolutely no deviation from sound Conservatism on my part ~ but there is on yours.
Let's trace back the fiscal crisis in Europe that has continued unabated since the days of Otto Von Bismarck. What happened then? Well, he came up with this idea for Single Payer and Social Security, retirement plans, etc. "to control the working class". Earlier, before those folks became part of the productivity system and were a mere peasantry, the so-called "working class" really didn't count unless there was a war to fight. Ol' Otto and his running dog lackeys had some strange ideas about them ~ like who could imagine a peasant with money in his pocket and not just in his mattress.
Marx, who shared many of the same beliefs, thought he could tame this new tiger with "the Vanguard of the workers", an elite group who'd have all the knowledge and information necessary to maximize and optimize production for the benefit of the state.
I don't think anybody is sure if Marx actually thought of the welfare of people per se but his position soon became the competition for Bismarck's position.
Leaping ahead to the 1950s to the "recovery period" when America decided Europe could re0industrialize, you discovered the militant public sector unions. What had happened in the interim, besides a great deal of infrastructure damage and millions of deaths, was the governments had NATIONALIZED rail, city transit systems, automobile manufacturing, truck manufacturing, banks, insurance ~ and with the industries came the already unionized workforces ~ TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
Remember, when you turn a labor intensive enterprise into a government agency you end up with the Commies as well as everybody else.
The Communist dominated unions in Greece actually engaged in a civil war with the government and almost won. In Italy they spread to the municipal governments from their base in government owned industries, and with the Fascists discredited and on the run, they began a series of devastating strikes. The same in France. In Spain, these guys had been stopped earlier by Franco. In Germany they got their OWN COUNTRY called the GDR, courtesy of the Soviet Union then occupying Eastern Europe and their own sector of Germany.
About then the US initiated several actions ~ full engagement of NATO and aid to the government forces in the Greek Civil War.
The Socialists (Labor) had taken over the UK right at the end of the war but there was still a majority there who didn't care to become part of Stalin's slave world.
Gradually the US was able to push back against the tide of Communism in Western Europe and even in Southern Europe. Through the rest of the 1950s as Europe's economy recovered and we developed our nuclear umbrella the Communist unions in Europe became less and less relevant and more easily identified as part of the Russian plan to take over Europe. This was not at all popular with the folks in the West. Eventually ordinary trade union people moved to the front, tamed their unions, and prosperity reigned.
By the 1980s a great deal of de-nationalization occurred and even private banks reappeared. Ronald Reagan encouraged this and by the end of his time in office it was clear that the Commies were on the run even in Eastern Europe.
The fiscal difficulties creating the current European financial troubles are worst in Greece, Italy and Portugual ~ former bastions of Communist trade unions. They are least in Germany and UK which do not have a strong history of Communist trade unions over the last half century ~ but they do have "unions".
Anti-Communism is one of the principle foundations of Conservative thought and belief. It didn't go away. Now you might imagine you can have a modern industrial and commercial sector without unions at all and that will herald the beginning of a new world order or something, but it just doesn't turn out all that neat. That's because you will continue to have unbending Commies in the mix who are going to screw you up every which way to Sunday unless you are able to disestablish them from within the employee units.
He decided it was more important to remove the Commies than keep federal employees from writing letters to their Congressmen.
I have no idea why you think it would have been better the other way around.
HOWEVER, you people imagine YOU own the postal service so when something happens ~ like a guy goes nuts and shoots everybody, you take it personally.
Frankly I never had any real fear that I would get shot on the job but I was almost killed by a bomb mailed by a Mormon to another Mormon ~ he was distressed over a woman ~ that was in Provo!
That's not "going Postal" but was it "going Mormon"? The locals there (it's a virtually 100% Mormon town) thought so but I don't really know.
Working in Headquarters we regularly had bomb scares. Some idiot USDA guy loaded dynamite into his ex-wife's trunk once, then there were the letter bombs, mysterious parcels that ticked (sent to the Postmaster General quite regularly), and so on.
We had these guys bust into the New Orleans post office with machineguns ~ they robbed the registered mail unit TWICE.
People get shot in parking lots or walking down dark streets at night to their cars near post offices.
Just the usual stuff. Never shot at by a postal worker though.
Oh, I agree, that's why I liked Scott Walker's approach. They can collectively bargain on wages, but NOT on benefits.
By the way...
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.