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US National Debt hits $15 Trillion
Hear Us Now ^ | 11.16.11 | Hear Us Now

Posted on 11/16/2011 2:43:03 PM PST by invaderzim

The National Debt hit $15 Trillion today. Unfunded mandates are at $116 Trillion.

After we hit $15 Trillion, I told my 17 year old daughter that as of now she owes the government $47,980.

She replied back, "I don't owe the government crap."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: debt; deficit; tax; unfundedmandates

1 posted on 11/16/2011 2:43:07 PM PST by invaderzim
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To: invaderzim

I guess they may have hit their limit on the gov’t VISA card,eh?


2 posted on 11/16/2011 2:45:20 PM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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James Madison

Annals of Congress, House of Representatives, 3rd Congress, 1st Session, page 170 (1794-01-10)
The Annals summarize speeches in the third person, with the actual text of Madison’s quote as follows:

“Mr. Madison wished to relieve the sufferers, but was afraid of establishing a dangerous precedent, which might hereafter be perverted to the countenance of purposes very different from those of charity. He acknowledged, for his own part, that he could not undertake to lay his finger on that article in the Federal Constitution which granted a right of Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

3 posted on 11/16/2011 2:58:59 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: invaderzim
DeMint on National Debt Surpassing $15 Trillion
4 posted on 11/16/2011 3:04:14 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: SkyDancer

I wish.
Just double time the printing presses...


5 posted on 11/16/2011 3:10:03 PM PST by invaderzim
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To: invaderzim

Times have changed, things are getting far worse.


6 posted on 11/16/2011 3:24:55 PM PST by rbosque (13 year Freeper!!! Combat Economist.)
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To: rbosque

I believe you are right.
We ain’t seen nothin’ yet.


7 posted on 11/16/2011 3:25:55 PM PST by invaderzim
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8 posted on 11/16/2011 3:55:55 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: invaderzim

If paid off at $15 per second that would only take 31,564 years..


9 posted on 11/16/2011 4:15:08 PM PST by mosesdapoet (To punish a province let it be ruled by a professor Fredrick The Great paraphrased)
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To: invaderzim

It cuts $1 trillion in one year...

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/10/ron-paul-spending-cuts-/1

HOORAY Ron Paul!


10 posted on 11/16/2011 4:36:32 PM PST by PGalt
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To: invaderzim

15 trillion?

That’s only true in a highly limited sense. Our actual net public indebtedness is 10.3 trillion, the other 4.7 trillion in “trust fund” (mostly Social Security) intra-governmental “debt” is but a meaningless bookkeeping entry. We could zero-out the intra-governmental stuff tomorrow if we wanted to, without any effect whatsoever on anyone.

The real amount we currently owe is the amount of debt held “by the public” (everyone other than the US government.)

See Table III-C in the Daily Treasury Statement: (in millions)

Debt Held by the Public: 10,314,468
Intra-governmental Holdings: 4,719,139

https://www.fms.treas.gov/fmsweb/viewDTSFiles?dir=w&fname=11111500.txt

15 trillion is a nice, round smack-me-in-the-face-with-a-big-number, but 10.3 trillion is the real number that matters.

However, there’s a bigger and more important number:

63.5

That’s the percentage by which net, real debt has increased in just 34 months.

From the Daily Treasury Statement of 1-20-09, the sorry day the jug-eared, empty-suited clown took office:

Debt Held by the Public: 6,307,311
Intra-governmental Holdings: 4,319,566

https://www.fms.treas.gov/fmsweb/viewDTSFiles?dir=a&fname=09012000.txt

Looked at on a current debt basis (ignoring the 100+ trillion in unfunded liabilities,) in 34 months we have added 4.007 trillion of net, real debt held by the public.

Actual, net, real debt, the stuff that has to be paid back or rolled-over in the real world, has increased by 63.5%, from 6.307 trillion to 10.314 trillion.

The other 4.7 trillion of cumulative, faux “borrowing” of collected funds (mostly FICA taxes) that went (over decades) into the various “trust funds” (mostly Social Security) and were instantaneously borrowed back and then spent routinely as part of the unified budget just distorts the total. That’s 4.7 trillion owed by the one government pocket to another government pocket. Completely meaningless.

Those meaningless bookkeeping entries make the bogus “total” debt increase look like ONLY 41.5% over 34 months.

By way of comparison, the net, real, public debt on 6-1-01 (the first day the Daily Treasury Statement gives a public/non-public breakdown) about 4 months after Bush took office was:

Debt Held by the Public: 3,309,319
Intra-governmental Holdings: 2,361,241

https://www.fms.treas.gov/fmsweb/viewDTSFiles?dir=a&fname=01060100.pdf

It took Bush 92 months to get from 3.3 to 6.3 trillion in net, real debt. About 33 billion per month. Nasty, but not the end of the world.

It took Jug-ears just 34 months to get from 6.3 to 10.3 trillion in net, real debt. An unbelievable, horrendous and totally unsustainable 118 billion per month.

And we’re still clicking along at about that rate today and for the near future. About 4 billion PER DAY. Either Jug-ears and about a dozen Senate Democrats are retired about a year from now or we’re going to go much further than we already are into the deep doo-doo.


11 posted on 11/16/2011 6:32:08 PM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag

I’m more concerned about the unfunded mandates myself.

The knife is already in our chest at the tip.
The unfunded mandates are the hammer that will slam the knife in our chests to the hilt.

We either eliminate and cut spending, or we are done in relatively short order.


12 posted on 11/17/2011 9:04:40 AM PST by invaderzim
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