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Newt: Fire the Janitors, Hire Kids to Clean Schools
foxnews.com ^ | November 19, 2011 | staff

Posted on 11/19/2011 9:32:20 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion

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To: BarnacleCenturion

When we were kids, we were given a weekly allowance…call it a “poverty” level allowance.

We also had our chores around the house to complete. It was to teach us responsibility and how to handle money and not to overspend beyond our means. Certainly, shoes and clothing did not fall into this category. My folks would provide that. Oh yes. No reward money for making good grades in school. That was expected.

My comment now: Had it been now and living in the U.S. my parents would probably be arrested for child abuse for having us do some household chores as we were not of age.

Having to learn to clean my room, cook to include cleaning up, wash my own clothes and iron, and learned to shop for groceries prepared me for later life when I was on my own.


51 posted on 11/19/2011 10:35:17 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer) (")
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To: Wiggins
Add to that the people collecting unemployment.

One of Newt's premises - that people on unemployment shouldn't be sitting around for months doing nothing.

52 posted on 11/19/2011 10:35:29 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: King Moonracer
Makes sense. Newt is smart, if not consistent. He can out-think Obama, and most of the GOP. The baggage though....

Its getting very tiresome listening to Freepers repeat the MSM mantra of Newt's baggage. They have placed a visual image in the minds of some people and are laughing at their successful slandering of a primo candidate. You want Baggage..look at ANYONE in public office and I'll show you baggage. It comes with the job and the anal exams that accompany them. The only Perfect person was crucified 2000 years ago.

53 posted on 11/19/2011 10:37:44 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: redpoll
Obligating the kids to clean after themselves and maintain the school where they work (at learning) seems like the balanced counterpart to doing chores at home.

That's true and everyone would agree but it really isn't what he meant. He said "fire the janitors and hire the kids". Completely different.

When my grandkids were in Head Start (gasp) they always had to clean up the room at the end of the day. And now their Young Marines post does the same. Entirely different from preposterously suggesting that they would be the sole paid workforce.

54 posted on 11/19/2011 10:39:47 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: BarnacleCenturion
There for a fleeting moment, I thought Newt was onto something when he said kids were "entrapped."

Sadly, he is suggesting a fix for an institution that is immune to fixes: the public schools, where most of the nation's children are forced to serve the twelve-year sentence.

As smart as Newt is, he really should learn a little more about the subject before he embarrasses himself. It makes me wonder whether we're looking to find a president or a national superintendent of schools when these candidates spend time talking about schools -- a concern traditionally managed at the local level. (Why is there still a cabinet-level agency after 40 years of failure? Can Newt explain that?)

Suggested reading and viewing: anything by John Taylor Gatto.

55 posted on 11/19/2011 10:41:19 AM PST by logician2u
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To: MNJohnnie
Wow, Lil johnnie-one-note - you're late. didn't get to start your Newt bashing until post 32!

You're slipping. But now we'll be treated to a lone line of your inane posts - but we still won't hear who YOU support, how they could better beat obummer and how they would bring us back from the brink.

Is that because you're in the pocket of the one candidate banned from FR?

Say “hi” to Mittens for us...

(Everybody get ready for an onslaught of anti-Newt posts from lil johnnie-one-note)

56 posted on 11/19/2011 10:44:01 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: logician2u
Correction to the above.

The Ed. Dept. has only been around 32 years -- 32 years too long.

57 posted on 11/19/2011 10:51:02 AM PST by logician2u
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To: maine-iac7
One of Newt's premises - that people on unemployment shouldn't be sitting around for months doing nothing.

Absolutely. I know a few people personally that have said they are not going back to work until their unemployment runs out.

58 posted on 11/19/2011 10:51:29 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Their parents pay high taxes for public schools and you think they will like their kids cleaning those schools? No way! Besides the janitors know how to do it better, and taxes are paying for it. How about lowering the salaries of the teachers and principals? Now that’s a good idea!


59 posted on 11/19/2011 10:52:51 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Paying the kids is a stupid idea.

How about making cleaning the school part of their regular school day? They do that in some countries.


60 posted on 11/19/2011 10:56:55 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

My brothers attended an all male Catholic high school. There were Saturday detentions for things like fighting, chewing gum, talking back... The Brothers had their Saturday work force and weeds were pulled, mulch put down, walls painted, windows washed, bulbs planted.... whatever needed to be done. Believe me, you learned a lesson about smarting off to a teacher if your Saturday was spent painting a wall.


61 posted on 11/19/2011 11:00:42 AM PST by momtothree
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To: steve86

>>>That’s true and everyone would agree but it really isn’t what he meant. He said “fire the janitors and hire the kids”. Completely different.<<<

That’s true - and you make my point. Gingrich’s rhetoric has a punch, and sometimes that punch hits you in the head. If kids were cleaning the schools, the necessary corrolary is that some of the janitorial staff would have be let go. You don’t have to mention it, though. Bluntly saying “fire the janitors” prompts a response from the listener that might think Gingrich is being hard-hearted, or at least uncaring. Which is perfect fodder for the leftist media.

Gingrich should have focused on the kid’s working hard part without mentioning the janitors at all, thereby focusing discussion on teaching kids how to work and care for their own schools. Instead, Gingrich’s own words focus attention on fired janitors, needlessly, and to the benefit of the left. (I think it goes without saying that these rules only apply to conservatives and Republicans - a Democrat or a leftist saying similarly blunt things is always given a pass. *sigh*)


62 posted on 11/19/2011 11:04:28 AM PST by redpoll
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To: momtothree

Sounds like a good idea for any school, not just Catholic.


63 posted on 11/19/2011 11:13:30 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

My first grammar school (catholic). The students cleaned the classrooms. Mopped the floors, cleaned the desks, blackboards, etc. The pastor & parish members drove the school busses. Parents helped out with painting. This is distant past, we probably had some contracted janitorial/maintenance assistance - however, it was minimal. These were parents who were involved in the community.


64 posted on 11/19/2011 11:13:56 AM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: King Moonracer
"Newt is smart, if not consistent..."

That's it in a nutshell. If he would stay on message and quit bouncing all over the place he'd be attracting more folks.

65 posted on 11/19/2011 11:18:16 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: scrabblehack; xzins
I really don’t see this as a federal issue though. Newt should be running for school board, not president.

It is because of FEDERAL CHILD LABOR LAWS that young children can't be given these jobs. Newt is proposing eliminating some of these stupid child labor laws.

This is a bold proposal. Let's see if any of the other candidates are willing to turn the clock back on some of these stupid laws.

66 posted on 11/19/2011 11:23:11 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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>> Newt: Fire the Janitors, Hire Kids to Clean Schools

I’ve been suggesting the idea of providing college tuition credits through farm labor. The service industry could also participate.


67 posted on 11/19/2011 11:23:41 AM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: Paperdoll

One of my sons got a summer job as one of the janitors at a local school. It was not beneath him and he made good money that summer.

I did not mind him taking a job as a janitor and I paid taxes for the schools. They paid less for his summer job than for the full time union janitors used during the school year. It would have been a great way to make money for a high school kid to work a part time cleaning job after school, too. It beat working retail in pay an in less aggravation in dealing with the public.


68 posted on 11/19/2011 11:28:42 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: King Moonracer

No alternative to Gingrich? Wrong! This 4+ minute video at the link at the bottom explains why.

I’ve recently had some old and intelligent friends respond to the previous messages with “Paul can’t beat Obama. Gingrich can.”

If that IS where we are today, it says far more about US than it does the candidate. Perhaps we HAVE returned to a feudal system where the smiling, glib, attractive and powerful lord of the manor is responsible for the rest of us, his vassals and serfs. God help us if that is so!

The same media that have lied to you about anthropogenic global warming, Obama’s qualifications to be president, largely failed to expose Newt’s REAL world-view, etc., etc., etc. have been BLOCKING Ron Paul and his message of smaller, Constitutional government and individual freedom and continue to ATTEMPT to BRAINWASH you into believing that Ron is UNELECTABLE. Apparently the majority of the 700,000 citizens in his south Texas district think he’s QUITE electable — multiple times!

If Gingrich’s numbers rise, watch the same media bandwagon now rolling OVER Ron Paul start to roll FOR Newt. If and when that happens, you need to ask yourself WHY that same lying, dishonest, leftist establishment media would do that? The short answer is that Newt would advance their agenda. The next question should be a reflective one: Is that MY agenda? If it IS YOUR agenda, here is what Sam Adams had to say about you over 200 years ago:

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

I am STILL awaiting responses to my request for corrections of any errors in the Gingrich record sent earlier. I’m also awaiting Newt’s reply concerning his support for the RINO Scozzafava over the more conservative candidate in the 2009 special election in the NY 23rd.

http://tinyurl.com/767pmfe


69 posted on 11/19/2011 11:37:42 AM PST by Dick Bachert (Obozo deserves another term: IN LEAVENWORTH. 25 to life sounds about right!)
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To: jackibutterfly
How ‘bout putting prisoners to work

Can't do that or you'll have lib heads exploding over slave labor.

Years ago, there was a government program that put kids to work at schools and other government entities during the summer. If nothing else, it kept them off the street. I don't think that program is around anymore.

70 posted on 11/19/2011 11:40:46 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
This is a political non-starter, but Gingrich has the right point.

In fact, I will throw all of my political support (and maybe a lot of financial support, too) behind the candidate who has the courage to stand up and tell the truth about public education: There is no place in a free nation for "public education" as we know it. Up until the last 150 years or so, I'm willing to bet that you will not find any documented case in human history of a society that rounded up all of its children on a daily basis and warehoused them in large buildings for the purpose of "educating" them.

71 posted on 11/19/2011 11:53:29 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Graybeard58

When I was in 5th grade, it was standard for students to assist the lunch crew.


72 posted on 11/19/2011 11:55:28 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: napscoordinator

Newt certainly was not referring to six year olds, but what the heck
Is wrong with any teenager working???? I am quite certain many
folks on this site worked and did babysitting at 14 years old. Labor
laws are out of control, kids need to work it gives them pride and self
confidence! Very small children are on corners dealing drugs!!!! Nuf said.


73 posted on 11/19/2011 11:57:38 AM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Sacajaweau

In the 1960’s up in MA, when I was in the 5th and 6th grade, I was a crossing guard ALONE in charge of the safety for a couple hundred younger children crossing a busy, unlighted town street.

When I was a junior and senior in high school I was a hired janitor. There was only one full time adult janitor for the entire school and us kids did ALL the work. He inspected.


74 posted on 11/19/2011 11:59:33 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Alberta's Child
Up until the last 150 years or so, I'm willing to bet that you will not find any documented case in human history of a society that rounded up all of its children on a daily basis and warehoused them in large buildings for the purpose of “educating” them.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Our human ancestors of the past 150,000 years must be laughing at us. You are right. When in human history have we done this to children?

And...My father was born in 1913. Most of his generation were educated in **small** one room school houses with children of mixed ages. His friends left school at age 14. He was the top ranking engineer for his company and won **many** awards for his work. He did very important design work and supervision of production for the Mercury and Apollo programs. Yet, ...he never finished high school and attended college at night.

75 posted on 11/19/2011 12:02:46 PM PST by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It’s actually not the worst idea.

My parents taught me to clean my room and help clean the house. If the school is ‘in loco parentis’ kids could learn how to clean things the right way using different cleaning supplies than they might have at home. There’s also pride knowing how to clean the right way, to be proud of keeping your home/school clean.


76 posted on 11/19/2011 12:06:48 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: USCG SimTech
You probably had to eat breakfast AT HOME and make your own lunch, too.

Kids are funny critters. If they can get out of doing something...they do. The government isn't helping.

77 posted on 11/19/2011 12:09:28 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: maine-iac7

Go shove Mitt up yours. I prefer Cain right now, but Newt is growing on me. Whereupon, question someone’s baggage and get called a romneybot


78 posted on 11/19/2011 12:11:07 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: napscoordinator
We want to fire the adult janitors and replace them with six year olds.

You could have just posted "I DIDN"T READ THE ARTICLE" and saved yourself a lot of typing.

79 posted on 11/19/2011 12:16:09 PM PST by elli1
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To: PGR88
I live in an area that grows a lot of apples, cabbages, etc...

rather than having an army of illegals picking the stuff, I always thought - wouldn’t it be much better if High School kids spent 2 weeks doing this instead?

A few years ago... Aroostook County used to take two weeks off from school to pick potatoes (Sorry Idaho, but Maine Potatoes are still the best, IMHO).

80 posted on 11/19/2011 12:19:53 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: elli1

:) Damn it.


81 posted on 11/19/2011 12:26:31 PM PST by napscoordinator
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82 posted on 11/19/2011 12:41:08 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

So what do the janitors do for jobs?


83 posted on 11/19/2011 12:44:20 PM PST by tioga
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To: PGR88

**High School kids spent 2 weeks doing this instead?**

That was the reason for summer school vacation - kids had to bring in the harvest during those months....when the US and Europe were agricultural-based economies.


84 posted on 11/19/2011 1:00:21 PM PST by sodpoodle (Loving America is not a fashion statement.)
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To: steve86
He is not this stupid.

He IS this stupid.

Yes, he is like that; He was my congressman once and I've spoken with him off the cuff a number of times. His brillance is often offset by his pride in his own intellect. That's just the way he is.

85 posted on 11/19/2011 1:09:18 PM PST by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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To: jackibutterfly

Well, I’ll point out that a lot of parents would be uncomfortable with prisoners or homeless people near their kids...


86 posted on 11/19/2011 1:14:33 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: no-s

To be honest I’ve never really appreciated the brilliance, if it is objectively even there. He is loquacious, even garrulous, and the consequences of the words seem to elude him all too often.


87 posted on 11/19/2011 1:14:45 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: God luvs America

Well, they already did the “Gingrich who stole Christmas” thing back in ‘95 or ‘96...so why not?


88 posted on 11/19/2011 1:15:30 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Weird article, weird statement by Newt. Another dull day on the trail.


89 posted on 11/19/2011 1:16:24 PM PST by montag813
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To: napscoordinator

I think he’s talking middle/high school kids.

Instead of risking sounding like an idiot on every Newt thread, why not read articles and use common sense first.


90 posted on 11/19/2011 1:17:03 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Janitorial is a professional job that takes skill and diligence, something kids do not have. This sounds good in sound bites, but is really a worthless idea. -1 point for Newt.
91 posted on 11/19/2011 1:17:47 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

When I was a kid, there were 2 adult janitors who supervised a crew of teen janitors.


92 posted on 11/19/2011 1:18:31 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Navy Patriot

Agreed.

Nobody is asking kids to work in sweatshops 22 hours a day in deplorable conditions! We’re saying “wipe off your desk and run a mop through the hall.”


93 posted on 11/19/2011 1:19:51 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: logician2u

I think you’re looking WAY too much into that, especially since Newt has stated his “ideal” solution would basically be for everyone to be on vouchers and choose any school they want.

He was just throwing an idea out there, this is what he does.


94 posted on 11/19/2011 1:26:26 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: momtothree

woe betide any third grader who littered at our school.


95 posted on 11/19/2011 1:27:14 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I went to a private tuition-free high school producing some of the finest students in the country where ALL maintenance not requiring a license was performed by the students, including industrial craft work.


96 posted on 11/19/2011 1:27:21 PM PST by Carry_Okie (In the GOP, desperation is the mother of convention.)
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To: American in Israel

I disagree. My grandfather owned a very successful janitorial services company. My father was raised working in the company, and he trained me. Any reasonably intelligent 10 year-old can be trained to do the majority of daily/weekly cleaning.


97 posted on 11/19/2011 1:28:07 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Paperdoll

I presume that, since the kids would be PAID to do the cleaning, that parents would have to give permission for them do take this JOB. Just like kids work at McDonald’s now.

How is this any different?

So you have no problem with a JANITOR getting cradle to grave retirement and $50,000 a year, but you think teachers should get a pay cut?


98 posted on 11/19/2011 1:28:07 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: Baynative

Well, he *IS* attracting more folks! Yes, he does need to stay on task, however.


99 posted on 11/19/2011 1:29:19 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Up until the last 150 years or so, I'm willing to bet that you will not find any documented case in human history of a society that rounded up all of its children on a daily basis and warehoused them in large buildings for the purpose of "educating" them.

That is true. However, the other fact is that, until 150 years ago, you couldn't find a society that had any more than about a 50% literacy rate, either. I'm not saying I support public education in its current form, but you have to consider that other part of the equation.

100 posted on 11/19/2011 1:31:35 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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