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The Truth about Violence: 3 Principles of Self-Defense
Sam Harris ^ | Nov 5, 2011 | Sam Harris

Posted on 11/20/2011 1:26:34 PM PST by bkopto

...Although most of us are good at recognizing danger, our instincts often lead us to behave in ways that increase our chances of being injured or killed once a threat emerges.

Principle #1: Avoid dangerous people and dangerous places.

The primary goal of self-defense is to avoid becoming the victim of violence. The best way to do this is to not be where violence is likely to occur. Of course, that’s not always possible—but without question, it is your first and best line of defense. If you visit dangerous neighborhoods at night, or hike alone and unarmed on trails near a big city, or frequent places where drunken young men gather, you are running some obvious risks. SNIP....

Principle #2: Do not defend your property.

Whatever your training, you should view any invitation to violence as an opportunity to die—or to be sent to prison for killing another human being. Violence must truly be the last resort. Thus, if someone sticks a gun in your face and demands your wallet, you should hand it over without hesitation—and run.

SNIP Principle #3: Respond immediately and escape.

If you have principles 1 and 2 firmly installed in your brain, any violence that finds you is, by definition, unavoidable. There is a tremendous power in knowing this: When you find yourself without other options, you are free to respond with full commitment.

This is the core principle of self-defense: Do whatever you can to avoid a physical confrontation, but the moment avoidance fails, attack explosively for the purposes of escape—not to mete out justice, or to teach a bully a lesson, or to apprehend a criminal. Your goal is to get away with minimum trauma (to you), while harming your attacker in any way that seems necessary to ensure your escape.⁠

(Excerpt) Read more at samharris.org ...


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The above is heavily redacted from the link. I would be interested in Freepers' thoughtful and helpful comments, after they read the *entire* (very long) post by Mr Harris.

BTW, Mr Harris *is* the notorious, aggressive atheist, but that is besides the point, for this posting. Please try to leave his atheistic views out of your comments.

1 posted on 11/20/2011 1:26:40 PM PST by bkopto
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To: bkopto

I have trained with the same school Gerald Celnte has for the last 6 years.

Www.attack proof.com.


2 posted on 11/20/2011 1:28:35 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: bkopto
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3 posted on 11/20/2011 1:29:37 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (For years the Left protested "the occupation of Iraq"- now they want to "Occupy" all across the US)
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To: bkopto
#2 is pure BS. If you give up your property you are still a witness.

Injuring them quickly is a better move because that creates a likelihood they will be caught and now if they manage to kill you the charges against them will be greater.

4 posted on 11/20/2011 1:32:38 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: bkopto
It's a very thoughtful article. Most notably for the observation that our first inclination, to stand and fight, is usually counterproductive.

I hope I have the presence of mind to avoid risking my life to save a car or camera.

5 posted on 11/20/2011 1:33:33 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: call meVeronica

Bump


6 posted on 11/20/2011 1:35:03 PM PST by call meVeronica
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To: bkopto

Sorry, but very little actual truth in there. There’s no set state code on defense of property. All states differ.


7 posted on 11/20/2011 1:36:42 PM PST by 1L
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To: bkopto
I read most of the article trying to understand where the author is coming from.

The guy seems like a wuss to me. Am I going to stand by and let thugs or anarchists destroy my property, not if by using superior firepower I can back them down.

Defending one's property doesn't necessarily mean having to destroy a life.

People assume too often that by letting the bad guy go or get away with criminal behavior in the effort of self-preservation that they are doing the right thing. To me, there is a great chance that by eliminating the threat to myself I can save somebody else who would in turn be a victim had the perp gotten away.

To me it is a mind set.

Article had some good stats though.

8 posted on 11/20/2011 1:49:51 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: bkopto

Knees are designed to bend ONE way. Make them bend in any of the other three ways, and you can do what you want.


9 posted on 11/20/2011 1:50:27 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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10 posted on 11/20/2011 1:50:35 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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Three rules of self defense, as taught by my instructor in Tae Kwon Do:

1. If the enemy cannot see, he cannot fight. Strike the eyes, of the bridge of the nose.
2. If the enemy cannot breathe, he cannot fight. Strike the diaphragm.
3. If the enemy cannot stand, he cannot fight. Strike the knees.

Good advice 20 years ago, and it has stood the test of time.


11 posted on 11/20/2011 1:59:31 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: bkopto

>Principle #2: Do not defend your property.

Slaves are made in such ways...


12 posted on 11/20/2011 2:05:22 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: bkopto

Number 1 seems to make a lot of sense to me. I can see some truth in number 2 but it is basically wrong.

I remember something Socrates is quoted as saying, and this is not his exact words, but he had been criticized for constantly looking around him and staring at people. He said that is the only reason he survived some battle when a lot of Athenians were killed because they were simply running away.

I think me meant basically be on the lookout or always be aware of what is going on around you.

There really are times when running away is the best idea and other times when you should stand your ground, just don’t ask me exactly what those are.

Also as much as possible, be armed.


13 posted on 11/20/2011 2:12:40 PM PST by yarddog
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To: bkopto

Here’s what I’ve been teaching my kids, who are still quite young, but it will save them huge amounts of heartache and trouble if they obey. STAY AWAY FROM ANY PLACE WHOSE MAIN FUNCTION IS TO PROVIDE ALCOHOL. I’m no teetotaler, but people do crazy, stupid, and dangerous things when they’re drunk, and it’s even worse when they’re surrounded by other drunks.


14 posted on 11/20/2011 2:17:49 PM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: bkopto
read: In the Gravest Extreme: The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection (9780936279008): Massad F. Ayoob: Books.

it's considered the Bible of self protection with firearms...

15 posted on 11/20/2011 2:24:42 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: bkopto
Whatever your physical skills, when you commit to using force against another person, your overriding goal is still to escape. Even if you are at home, in possession of a firearm, and well trained to use it, when confronted by an intruder your best defense is to get out of the house as quickly as possible. In such a circumstance, a gun is a means of ensuring that no one can block your exit.

Bullshit, shoot the perp, twice and look for the next target.

I would never think of running out of my house if I'm in possession of any of my guns and someone has broken in.

This guy is not giving advice that I'd ever take.

He also says if a group of vandals are destroying your car to leave and call the police, that you don't want to shoot a teenager over an act of vandalism.

That depends on the immediate danger to me and my family.

If I felt that the destruction of the car was act one, and my destruction was act two, I'd have no remorse at shooting even if they later were identified to be teenagers.

At the point of my life being threatened, the perps age is of no concern to me.

16 posted on 11/20/2011 2:29:21 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: bkopto

I disagree with No.2 In today’s world pacifism will get you killed faster then offensive reaction. With 3 strike laws and psychopathic criminals being set free you’re a liability to them if left alive. Many of these animals will kill for sport. Many gang initiation rights include killing too.

Now if you’re in a situation and your situational awareness was so sloppy you are under direct threat of being killed/injured by an attacker your best option to stay alive is a strong reactive offense making them back off or stop. The life you save may be that of your family.


17 posted on 11/20/2011 2:30:24 PM PST by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: yarddog

It seems that in many of the recent attack situations (large packs of feral yutes), running is probably the best option. Of course, that isn’t much of an option when you’re on a crowded bus or subway. Yeah, it sucks that people have to deal with these attacks. But the thugs know it and use it to their advantage, which is why they attack in groups. A lone victim is easy pickins.


18 posted on 11/20/2011 2:33:29 PM PST by hout8475
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To: bkopto

Liberal pacifist rules of self-non-defense.


19 posted on 11/20/2011 2:45:21 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: gettinolder
Amen brother, and I am at 4 incidents this year alone where I intervened to help another victim. 4, and every single time I both protected the victim and did not have to harm the scumbag. An additional incident at a gas station where some homeless racist illegal alien threatened to kill me and my family because we have a nice truck, "stolen from the hard work of his ancestors" ended very quickly when I put my 45 in his face. I told the police exactly what I did.

This run away line of thinking removes needed heros from society.

Of course I live in Alaska. I can carried concealed with license or permission as long as I am a non-felon. These guys #1 piece of advice is to avoid troubled areas,....My first piece of advice is live in an area where the right to armed self defense is not questioned, and go and do what you will as a free man.

20 posted on 11/20/2011 2:48:57 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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