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To: calcowgirl; fightinJAG

Okay, maybe not ALL but were you 100% as sure when all the global warming crap started? I didn’t want to believe it, but there they were all those scientists, the “hockey stick”chart, the melting icebergs, the polar bears all telling us that there may be something to it. I really wasn’t sure who was right until some reputable scientists came out very loudly against it. Then it all came unraveled...

I really saw it for the farce that it was when they pulled that stupid “Carbon Credits” con on us. That was ny AHA moment. I give you props if you caught on sooner.


76 posted on 11/22/2011 5:38:05 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg

Note: Newt’s ad with Pelosi was made in 2008, years after global warming and cap and trade were being exposed as a corrupt scheme.

I’ve been a skeptic since Al Gore’s 1992 book claiming global warming was the world’s greatest threat. It was not hard to see that the focus of his efforts and others had more to do with redistributing wealth and manipulating energy markets than it did about keeping the world’s population safe from floods. Funding of special interest groups and propaganda campaigns pushing the “science” was coming from a small group of interests (e.g. Exxon Mobil) poised to benefit from the proposed “solutions” (e.g. billions of taxpayer money for “green” energy research, restrictions on existing energy sources, more regulation of business, etc.). Proposed legislation in approx 2001 gave plenty of specifics of how misguided their effort was, again directed at big government and billions for special interests rather than safety of the planet and its people. That legislation included lots of gory details of how a cap-and-trade scheme would be introduced. In 2003, Rep. Jim Inhofe was publishing evidence and sponsoring testimony of renown scientists on the House floor exposing it as the hoax it is. In 2003, the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) was opened to trade carbon credits. Who was behind the CCX? None other than the alumni of the corrupt Michael Milken gang, along with those special interest companies who had been funding the propaganda campaign.

I could go on, but I think you get the idea. In short — all signs pointed to a massive scam. I’m glad you saw the light when you did. There are plenty of people who still haven’t bothered to evaluate the facts, instead relying on the media and the corrupt alarmists perpetuating the scam.

But yes — I was 99% sure from day one that global warming was not what it was presented to be. And I was not alone. Over the years, enlightened FReepers were in the majority of calling out global warming as a giant hoax. Hence my taking exception to your use of the word “all of us”. Even “most of us” would not have been supported by history, IMO.


77 posted on 11/22/2011 12:53:24 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: marstegreg
You were certainly not wrong to think there may be something to global warming.

However, the Left often snuck in the part about the warming being MAN-MADE, and they did so in such a way that they conflated scientific information on "normal" warming cycles and that supposedly caused by man and fixable by man.

This, the argument that global warming was man-made rather than a normal or at least unalterable natural cycle, was the aspect that was disputed very early by a lot of people, including Rush. Basically, the Left has been constantly throwing out theories of environmental catastrophe because of MAN for decades, including in the '70s a coming catastrophic ice age!

Rush and many others used to talk extensively about Michael Crichton's 2004 (!) novel, State of Fear.

About the novel:

[Crichton] spent three years researching "State of Fear." It's a thriller with footnotes, graphs and scientific references. In it he argues that the threat of global warming has been exaggerated by environmentalists.

"I'm saying that environmental organizations are fomenting false fears in order to promote agendas and raise money," he said.

[snip]

Crichton agrees the Earth is getting warmer. But he says there is little to worry about because the climate is always changing and there is no evidence to determine if the changes are manmade or natural. In fact he says, climate scientists admit they can't predict what temperatures will be in 100 years.

80 posted on 11/22/2011 3:15:55 PM PST by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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