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Attempted burglary raises self-defense issue(VT)
rutlandherald.com ^ | 20 November, 2011 | Brent Curtis

Posted on 11/21/2011 10:46:05 AM PST by marktwain

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I remember the Pasho case. The "friend" was naked. If I were on the jury, I would have been a little suspicious of someone chasing a naked "friend" out of the house, into a car, and then shooting them.

As an aside, it is comes the closest, of any case that I know of, where a homeowner was charged and convicted of shooting someone who was breaking into their home. American juries believe that a person's home is their castle, and they act accordingly.

1 posted on 11/21/2011 10:46:10 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“I feared for my life”.. Say it often, like every other sentence.


2 posted on 11/21/2011 10:51:55 AM PST by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: marktwain

Come into my home uninvited in the dead of night if you will. The night won’t be the only thing dead.


3 posted on 11/21/2011 10:54:15 AM PST by animal172 (All aboard the Cain Train.)
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To: marktwain

In case of an armed robber or intruder, a reasonable person would assume that the weapon is intended to be used. That includes a crow bar or tire iron being used for breaking and entering, as far as I am concerned.


4 posted on 11/21/2011 10:57:16 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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“Just because someone is in your house doesn’t mean you’re in jeopardy,” Cacciatore said.”

You’re in my house uninvited in the middle of the night - I’m looking at being in jeopardy and I’m thinking deadly force.

What idiots some of these people are.


5 posted on 11/21/2011 11:01:30 AM PST by klb99 (I now understand why the South seceeded)
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To: Pollster1

The fact that they broke in while I was at home is clearly an intent to do violence. They believe that they will be able to subdue me, or kill me. They can only assume that I would resist. Therefor I am not going to see what weapons they brought till I drop them.

I may be old, but I am not stupid.


6 posted on 11/21/2011 11:04:18 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: animal172
I've been hunting the last couple of weekends and was cleaning the arsenal last night. (We did some fun target shooting before heading back to town)

Come into my home uninvited in the dead of night if you will. The night won’t be the only thing dead.

I considered how safe my family was while cleaning the shotguns and handguns. We have a dog, alarm, fence and capable shooters with loaded firearms in touch safes from the sleeping position. Though I have ended up on the front lawn on a couple of occasions when the dog went nuts in the middle of the night, I feel pretty safe too.

I also have 6 fire extinguishers in the house, one next to my bed. I hope to never have to use any of my protection devices for protection.

7 posted on 11/21/2011 11:07:24 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)
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You’re in my house uninvited in the middle of the night - I’m looking at being in jeopardy and I’m thinking deadly force.

Exactly! Only an attorney could ask how you could be sure you were in danger with a straight face.

I would love to ask that attorney where he lives and send someone over to his house in the middle of the to steal a gallon of milk from his fridge. "How did you know he wasn't breaking into your house to steal some milk?"

8 posted on 11/21/2011 11:10:24 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals vote like clowns walking thru a minefield, oblivious to the consequences.)
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To: marktwain
require that certain elements exist to be justifiable uses of deadly force.

But in the Vermont case, the woman did not use deadly force. No one died. She fired three rounds from a firearm. It might as well have been firecrackers.
What if she was loaded with blanks? Would it be deadly force then?

9 posted on 11/21/2011 11:10:59 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: animal172
Come into my home uninvited in the dead of night if you will.

Note to Santa: Phone this guy before you get there.......

10 posted on 11/21/2011 11:12:20 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (ue)
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More proof that we are in more danger because of lawyers than criminals breaking into our houses.

If, as these mental midgets claim, it is too difficult to determine if one is in danger from someone breaking into their house, then it is proof positive the greatest evil are the lawyers.

Once you enter my house, uninvited, in the middle of the night, I don’t care what your intent is, you will be laying in a pool of your own blood. And if some JBT tries to arrest me for such an action then From My Cold Dead hands come to mind.


11 posted on 11/21/2011 11:14:27 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: marktwain

Does one have to prove that they have not an ounce of common sense to be a law professor or DA in Vermont?


12 posted on 11/21/2011 11:16:06 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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Pennsylvania Title 18, Chapter 5, Sections 2.1, 2.2

(2.1) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (2.2), an actor is presumed to have a reasonable belief that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against death, serious bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual intercourse compelled by force or threat if both of the following conditions exist: (i) The person against whom the force is used is in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or has unlawfully and forcefully entered and is present within, a dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle; or the person against whom the force is used is or is attempting to unlawfully and forcefully remove another against that other's will from the dwelling, residence or occupied vehicle. (ii) The actor knows or has reason to believe that the unlawful and forceful entry or act is occurring or has occurred.

13 posted on 11/21/2011 11:18:30 AM PST by Stentor ("All cults of personality start out as high drama and end up as low comedy.")
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“Reasonable” is arbitrary and capricious and has no place in American law. It is an invitation to abuse.


14 posted on 11/21/2011 11:29:22 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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“In Billings’ case, police say the 49-year-old fired three rounds from a handgun at a man trying to enter her home on Tuesday. The intruder fled the property on Quarterline Road leaving behind no evidence that any of the bullets found the mark. “

More range time needed.


15 posted on 11/21/2011 11:33:16 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: American in Israel

Well said.


16 posted on 11/21/2011 11:34:33 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
“Reasonable” is arbitrary and capricious and has no place in American law. It is an invitation to abuse.

I disagree. It is the very basis of our law of self defense. A jury gets to decide if you, knowing what you knew at the time, in the situation that you were in, acted reasonably in believing that you were under a serious threat.

It is not perfect, but it works pretty well most of the time.

17 posted on 11/21/2011 11:34:41 AM PST by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: packrat35

The full statement is “I feared for my life and fired to stop the threat. That is all I will say until I have my lawyer present.”


18 posted on 11/21/2011 11:36:15 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: packrat35

Oh, and then be sure to say nothing else, just to make it explicit.


19 posted on 11/21/2011 11:36:57 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain

“Just because someone is in your house doesn’t mean you’re in jeopardy,” Cacciatore said. “The question that is key in these things is ‘what is the immediacy of the threat?’”

Texas=Castle Doctrine. Come on down!


20 posted on 11/21/2011 11:39:10 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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