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Live Thread: Republican Presidential Debate on National Security 8 P.M. EST 11/22/11 on CNN
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 11/22/2011 3:37:12 PM PST by kristinn

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To: Will88
Nice try at insult, but as usual you fail. I'm 66. I lived through that period well aware of how Ted the swimmer canceled the provisions for the enforcement. But you tried to mischaracterize by omission. Typical of you.
1,841 posted on 11/22/2011 9:47:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Will88

This is the line - go to US Imnmigration website and complete Form N-400 on that website. That puts you “in line”. Follow their directions for the next steps to take. See below:

Prepare Your U.S. Citizenship
Application Online!
Use our step-by-step guide to complete your Form N-400, US Citizenship Application online. Our easy to use form guide will provide you with everything you need to file your application with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (formerly known as the INS).


1,842 posted on 11/22/2011 9:47:51 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Jane Long

“You get it! It’s not rocket science...Herman Cain can tell you that ;)”

I was SO glad Herman got in a comment about his mathematics/military ballistics analyst background. It’s so sickening that the media constantly introduces him only as “former CEO of Godfathers Pizza” so as to diminish him in people’s minds.


1,843 posted on 11/22/2011 9:48:42 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: MHGinTN

lol MHGinTN - you da man with that reply. I remember too.


1,844 posted on 11/22/2011 9:49:40 PM PST by SteelTrap
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To: TitansAFC

Find me a quote with a link so I can see the context. You’re the one who keeps saying he said this. Prove your point.

Cindie


1,845 posted on 11/22/2011 9:49:40 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: 9YearLurker

If I recall, Newt mentioned that they would not be granted Citizenship but rather a Permanent Green Card.

I would hope any Felony Conviction would invalidate their Green Card and require Mandatory Deportation after serving their sentence.

That would solve the “Voting” issue until the time comes that a Liberal President and a Liberal Congress use the “discrimination” card to gain sympathy and forgiveness by awarding the poor folks full Citizenship Rights.


1,846 posted on 11/22/2011 9:50:09 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: mylife

I believe the majority of states have some sort of voter ID now. (Though it’s laughably easy to get around in most of them.) Perry’s illegal-immigrant loving and bought off by illegal immigrant-hiring donors, however. Voter ID may be somewhat useful against Democrats, but legalizing the tens of millions of illegals here will more than swamp the GOP ever more.


1,847 posted on 11/22/2011 9:50:20 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: MHGinTN

Indeed.

Now Herman is lost on the situation.

He wants machine gun nests, electric fences, alligator moats, and racial profiling.

Sorry folks. Herman could never govern.


1,848 posted on 11/22/2011 9:51:27 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: gardencatz

http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-061107.asp

it’s not out-of-context, his stance = Newt’s stance, really. He’s for selective deportation, not blanket deportation, just like Newt.

I will also post the interview where he reaffirmed his stance, when I am not going to bed and can look for it. ;-)


1,849 posted on 11/22/2011 9:53:23 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: TitansAFC

Your guy Newt is a RINO and has been a RINO for years. Just ask princess Nancy and Algore, Al Sharpton and John Kerry, Hillary! and any other democrat Newty has cozied up to over recent history. He does not discriminate as to party. He is also cozy with democrats with (R) next to their names as well. Just ask De De Scozzafava.

But to help you understand Herman Cain and keep you from being such a troll in your misunderstanding, here is Herman Cain from five years ago. Well before he decided to run for office, while Newt out was going green.

Herman Cain
Apr 19, 2006

The movement to grant amnesty and eventual U.S. citizenship to some 12 million illegal aliens has turned the issue from the sounds of silence to the sounds of entitlement.

The entitlement mentality did not begin in America, but it has flourished here in the last century. The American claim on entitlements to health care, retirement income and seemingly any “right” one can conceive was birthed from the womb of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, reared by Kennedy’s New Frontier and came of age in Johnson’s Great Society. U.S. citizens, fanned by the flames of those who encourage class warfare, are increasing their demands for government-redistributed income and programs that guarantee outcomes, not opportunities. Non-citizens are now voicing the sounds of entitlement to an easy road to citizenship.

The entitlement attitude that has been ingrained in millions of Americans has blinded them to the ineffectiveness and runaway costs of their favorite programs. The fiscal challenge in meeting the future demands of the Medicare and Medicaid programs is well documented, as is the coming bankruptcy of the Social Security system. Yet few elected officials dare to even utter those programs’ names in public for fear of electoral retaliation.

Too many Americans also claim an entitlement to additional health care coverage from their employers. If they do not receive health care as a benefit, they believe the government should mandate it. The Maryland state legislature last year enacted a law requiring companies with over 10,000 employees to contribute 8 percent of total payroll to employees’ health care. The legislature is now looking at ways to require all employers, including non-profit organizations, to pay a percentage of their employees’ health care costs. Other states are considering the same plan.

Illegal aliens know they can receive free health care in hospital emergency rooms, paid for by U.S. taxpayers. A little publicized provision in the 2003 Medicare Modernization Act set aside $250 million in taxpayer dollars to reimburse hospitals for costs associated with treating illegal aliens. In a twist of logic only Congress could conceive, hospitals are barred from asking an emergency room patient if they are in the U.S. illegally. The long-run cost of this provision will surely skyrocket as hospitals continue to submit claims on coverage of people who may be illegal aliens.

Illegal aliens living and working in the U.S. have now co-opted the entitlement mentality present in too many Americans. Worse, their demands for the right to vote, guaranteed by our Constitution to citizens only, and access to social services are encouraged by elected officials trying to buy their future votes. At recent rallies Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Hillary Clinton (D-NY), to name just two, argued that illegal aliens must be allowed to remain in the U.S. and put on the path toward full citizenship rights. In other words, let’s skip the illegal part.

In addition to demands for voting rights, health care coverage and U.S. citizenship, many illegal aliens feel they are entitled to U.S. soil itself. Two groups that have helped organize the illegal alien rallies across the country, the Aztlan Movement and the Mexica Movement, believe it is American citizens who are in fact on their continent illegally. The Aztlan Movement seeks to create a separate nation comprised of northern Mexico and parts of the American Southwest, including California, Arizona and New Mexico. Members of the Mexica Movement, who waved signs at recent rallies that read “This Is Our Continent, Not Yours”, seek to completely remove Americans from North America and surrender control of the U.S. to Mexico.

The entitlement and class warfare mentality fostered for a century by liberal presidents, congressional leaders, labor union leaders and heads of liberal organizations in fact obscures their real goal. They seek complete government control of our lives and our businesses, which ultimately can only be achieved with your vote. Since the inception of the income tax code in 1913, to the birth of the Social Security system in 1935 and the programs that have followed, the end goal is always bigger government. It is also important to remember that those who occupy the positions of power will try to achieve their goal by any means possible. If it takes convincing the public that our planet is somehow warming because we drive cars with the air conditioner running, then so be it. If it takes increasing entitlement spending programs to 100 percent of the federal budget, so be it. Whatever it takes.

The United States would never have become the United States had the litany of entitlement programs and the unnatural attitudes they foster been in place in the 1800s and early 1900s. This was the time when newly freed slaves struck out to work on achieving their own dreams, when American expansion and settlement headed west, and when millions of Europeans crossed the Atlantic for a hard but better life. The only thing promised was abundant opportunity, given in exchange for assimilation and adherence to the rule of law.

We must demand that our president and Congress secure our borders and our sovereignty as a nation of laws and citizen rights. To those who enter this country legally, welcome to America. Illegal entitlement is not an option.

http://www.davidstuff.com/incorrect/cain1.htm

No way is Herman Cain to the left of have a heart Gingrich. Cain understands that taking the side of the invaders means leaving the side of your country. Too bad Newt, Perry and most of the GOP elites refuse to see the truth. If you are honest, you’ll admit what is now very clear to everyone else — Newt is a RINO.


1,850 posted on 11/22/2011 9:54:13 PM PST by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: mylife

I do believe voter ID in Tennessee is very much in place.


1,851 posted on 11/22/2011 9:54:44 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: 9YearLurker

Have you not noticed our country ceased being the ‘face’ of we have known years ago when this started? We can do nothing but thank the politicians for this “invasion” and the one now following it with the muslim “invasion”.


1,852 posted on 11/22/2011 9:54:58 PM PST by caww
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To: 9YearLurker

There are 6 states

Perry lead one of them.


1,853 posted on 11/22/2011 9:55:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Kickass Conservative

2013 could well be a year when the Republican President, with a Republican controlled House and Senate deal with the illegal invader problem in such a way as to bring millions of family oriented Hispanics into the Republican conservative fold. It will require a really smart set of points to do it, but I think a really smart guy like Newt can pull it off and make our country stronger while pulling the rug out from under the anti-American socialist democraps.


1,854 posted on 11/22/2011 9:55:32 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Lol, you’re really one to be talking about insults. If not for insults, you’d have little to say on this forum.


1,855 posted on 11/22/2011 9:55:41 PM PST by Will88 (N)
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To: over3Owithabrain

Bashing Cain?

The only references I make to Cain these days are on Newt threads or threads of other good Conservatives in RESPONSE to attacks by Cain backers.

It is fair to point out that they have roughly equal immigration policies to Cain backers who are trying to use this issue as a DQer for Newt.


1,856 posted on 11/22/2011 9:56:00 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: eyedigress

Yup.


1,857 posted on 11/22/2011 9:57:28 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Will88

Lol, and of course you totally ignore the fact that my insult was a direct answer to an insult from you. You’re a waste of time as usual.


1,858 posted on 11/22/2011 9:57:33 PM PST by Will88 (N)
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To: Waryone

Blah blah blah, call everyone but Cain a RINO, blah blah blah.

You know it’s the same position as Newt’s, you know it. Yelling “RINO” doesn’t change that fact.


1,859 posted on 11/22/2011 9:57:51 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: All
Opps... 7, we are 7
1,860 posted on 11/22/2011 9:58:21 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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