Posted on 11/23/2011 5:22:45 AM PST by MNJohnnie
Anyone who saw last night's debate performance and still backs Cain is being willfully and obstinately blind to the man's very, very obvious shortcomings! He's a dope. He knows next to nothing. He was stalling for time all over the stage last night waiting for the spoon fed line that his advisers fed him before the debate to come to him!
Cain was attractive in the beginning because he was fresh, optimistic, witty and a NON POLITICICAN. Those attributes pale in comparision to his short comings.
>> Then I suggest you quit all advocacy for conservative causes and resign yourself to living in a Chavez-style Soviet America, because Third World immigration (legal and otherwise) will produce an ironclad pro-socialist majority in this country, as it has already done in California. >>
With due respect, you are giving a false choice. There will never be mass deportation, but there certainly CAN BE OTHER conservative solutions.
There CAN BE a secure border.
There COULD BE a move to deport all arrested subsequently for other crimes.
There MAY BE a move to stop government hand outs for them.
Just think for a minute: if nothing else happened but item 1 above and parts of items 2 and 3 in some states, how close we would be to solving the worst of this problem. We’d be damned close. And over time, even closer.
I posted before finishing: I meant to say that the best we’ll get with any candidate is a secure border. Nothing more. And while Perry and Newt may not be your cup of tea on what to do with those already here, they both do want a secure border to stop any future bleeding.
And that’s the best we’ll get in the short run, but that’s a damned good start.
I’m glad Neut was clear on his views on immigration last night.
At least those who will continue to support him will know what they’ll be getting: Bush/McCain.
No one can talk a better game than Neut; but looking at his actions rather than his words indicates that he’s an establishment, “big government conservative” who will continue the flood-America-with-immigrants policy of our last several presidents.
So apparently the Newt camp has no problem with those sorts of scumbag political tactics.
Thank you from proving my point about how Newt has become a Cult of Personality to his followers here.
Cult of Personality tactic 3. Anything is permissible as long as it advances the cause of the cult leader.
“Yep. Though Newt may be the only adult in the GOP room at times, he’s still a RINO. I’m glad Bachmann went after him. Too bad the Texas. Governor didn’t do the same.”
Agreed. I’m glad Bachmann was willing to step up and slap him up against the head.
The question is, do we really think under any circumstances that there will be any “rounding up” of illegals for the purpose of deportation? Of course not, under any President.
We did it under President Eisenhower. Operation Wetback started in northern California and worked its’ way south rounding up and deporting illegals every step of the way.(Some were actually sent deep into Mexico to prevent their rapid return.) By the time the operation reached Arizona there were no illegals left to send home. They had all self deported from AZ,NM,and TX.
Today any such operation would have to carve out exceptions like Gingrich described, but, if the border were secured, would drastically reduce the number of illegals in this country and document the remainder.
The next step would be to tighten our visa controls. This is a problem that can be solved if we start thinking of illegals as trespasers and stop calling them immigrants.
I would love it if Newt took on the 14th amendment. That is the problem, though nobody wants to bring it up/deal with it. Newt, just may be the man to do it.
It's still early in the game...but Newt is looking better and better to me.
* Emanuel and Schumer took the House and Senate by picking off districts from PA west to IL.
* I found a map of districts with percentages of religious denomination's in them.
* I then compared that map to what Chucky and Rambo did...
* Schumer and Emanuel picked off districts that the highest concentration was Catholic. IMHO they got Catholics sick of "Bush's War(s)" to vote "D" in 06'....
Now follow this...
* Newt is a fairly recent Catholic.
* The Catholics I know ( many ) tend to be what we might call "reasonable", i.e. many of the the folks Newt talked about last night, might sit next to them in their Churches on Sunday, even in the Burb's and Ex-burbs.
* By saying what he did last night, IMHO he is appealing to the same folks that Schumer and Emanuel Stole in 06'.
IMHO he needs PA, OH, and MI to win, much of the "Macomb County Democrats" i.e. the "Reagan Democrats" were Catholic if my memory is correct.
I maybe way off base here, but IMHO this is Newt's Target Market.
If my theory is correct, it could be a brilliant way to bring Obama leaning Catholics back into the fold for 12'.
Newt maybe playing 3 dimensional chess more than Sarah was, am I the only one who sees it.......
“However, I believe Newt will actively start deportation...”
In other words, you totally missed what Newt Gingrich said in last night’s debate.
trespassers
Once again...I’m not a Newt supporter but your constant attacks on anyone not Cain is embarrassing. I understand why you do it. There’s not much positive you can say about a candidate who is lost if he can’t say 9-9-9 and smile alot.
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Yep...I especially liked her answer to how she was going to split up families that have been here two or more generations by deporting grandma...she hit that one out of the park.
Think carefully about what Newt said. He said,
“Is it inhumane to deport an illegal immigrant who came to the United States 25 years ago,”
Why did he choose 25 years ago and not 20 or 30.
People assume that 25 years was just a number that Newt pulled out of his ass.
It is not.
Think back about about what happened 25 years ago.
That would be 1986.
That was the year Ronald Reagan’s bill gave amnesty to the then current residents in exchange for sealing the border.
The border wasn’t sealed and millions more Mexicans and other poured over the border.
The people who came after 1986 were illegal. But the people who came before 1986 were legalized if they bothered to come forward.
So Newt is talking about a law that is already on the books.
Oh you are well read, and even National Review only has talked about it once or Twice and Coulter and the fact the 14th doesn't mean "anchor babies".
This debate when it happens will make the Charles Murray books that hinted about the gene pool look like a cake walk....
“Yep...I especially liked her answer to how she was going to split up families that have been here two or more generations by deporting grandma...she hit that one out of the park.”
I missed that one, Moose, and if that’s what she said I’d have to disagree with her. I don’t want the families split up—the whole clan needs to be deported.
I would rather plunge head first into tyranny than “skirt the edge” for eternity.
F—K that sh—. If its gotta get worse before people people feel the heat, gain some fight and cast off their inhibitions to cracking skulls. Fine! At least there is HOPE that we gain our freedom. But to be stuck in an endless purgatory of back and forth on the edge of tyranny is UNACCEPTABLE and IMMORAL! People will remain clueless sheep until everything simply decays.
If we want to be free from tyranny and or the infinite threat of tyranny, We have to meet it and defeat it in a way that humans have defeated tyranny since the beginning of time. Working with it, and accepting aspects of it as a position of “moderation” to slowly turn the tide is nothing more than a lullaby. Ask any smoker who tried to quit smoking by just cutting down on the number of smokes they had a day or switching to light’s... Doesn’t F’ing work, Just like doing less cocaine from time to time wont help you break the addiction. We have to STOP COLD F’ing TURKEY. Its up to us to have the will to do so.
Newt, Romney, and all other rino’s are just “cocaine light” or light cigarettes. They are a false choice... They are NO CHOICE.... Ultimately, they are invested “heart and mind” into securing the safety of this socialist nation.
We need people in the fedgov who are going to subvert it, cripple it, STOP IT... While we gain strength in the states and prepare to wield those states as weapons against the socialist Leviathan in the fight for our freedom from the tyranny of the socialist bastards and their ignorant horde of zombies.
If Newt were to get his Master Amnesty Plan we, the Taxpayer, will be taxed more paying for the entitlements these folks will want as US Citizens, plus teaching them English and putting them on 2 years of unemployment.
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