Skip to comments.Memo to Gingrich: 'Red card' is path to amnesty
Posted on 11/25/2011 10:04:03 PM PST by Fred
f Newt Gingrich is a "policy wonk" as his friends proclaim, he is a very lazy one. He should have read the Kriebel Foundation's "Red Card Solution" before endorsing it as a non-amnesty solution to our immigration conundrum.
The so-called Red Card Solution purports to create a new guest-worker program that solves all of our immigration problems. It strengthens border security, helps employers fill low-skilled jobs, bars criminals from participation and does all of this by "empowering the private sector" without use of taxpayer dollars. Maybe in the fine print it also wipes out the national debt.
The problem is, it does none of those things, and anyone who takes time to actually read the full 41-page "white paper" instead of the press handout will see this.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
The problem with this is it assumes Amnesty ISN’T Newt’s ultimate goal. But like all GOP elites who love the cheap labor, it IS their goal.
Of course it’s amnesty. Newt would allow them to be ‘legalized’, and once legalized all it would take would be one trip home to sign up and be ‘on the path’ to citizenship. Meanwhile, they’re all back here, with the majority of them still on some form of government dole, until their citizenship processes.
“It strengthens border security, helps employers fill low-skilled jobs, bars criminals from participation and does all of this by “empowering the private sector” without use of taxpayer dollars.”
You prefer another Government Bureaucratic solution to privatization? Why will it fail? Does it require US to participate? Or can we just carp at the government as if they were a separate entity? Kind of cryptic put down of a very complex matter.
What is the first step in Newt’s plan, shut down the border?
Sounds pretty provocative. What else is wrong?
Put finding fraud in private hands? No good? Government would be better?
What IS the answer? Hopefully, something that no one will be able to control, all governmental boondoggle, like the last one? Why try something different? Let’s stand on the sidelines and ridicule it instead.
Or, better yet, pretend we don't have an unbroken string of similar failed proposals, most of which "legitimized" millions of permanent welfare parasites, and utterly failed to seal the border, as a condition of passage.
Problem with Newt is he has flip flopped on so many issues, it is hard to figure out which Newt will show up in the White House. I got a list of flip-flops ready if you wish to see it again. I have posted Newt’s flip-flops several times.
On immigration Newt has flopped to the left, while Mitt has flopped to the right. These two guys are like the twin headed monster. You never know which mouth will speak up.
You get thrown out and don't get to come back for the next game either.
There have been too many amnesty plans where we have amnesty now traded for a promise border security later, which never quite seems to come. This time we need border security to shut down illegal border crossings to a minimum along with sever penalties for employers who knowingly or with willful ignorance hire illegals. Get it well under 100,000 per year for a few years, then we can discuss what to do with the illegals who haven't returned home on their own and whether we need yet another program (we already have a bunch) for bringing in temporary immigrant labor.
English Machine Translation: "Des Moines. After the head position preference in the presidential campaign Republican, Newt Gingrich is now facing a possible backlash from conservative activists, after proposing an immigration reform that he called "humane", but quickly denounced his opponents as an "amnesty.""
You mean kinda like this?
If you do (and you're female), you might qualify as Mrs. Newt Gingrich IV.
If it allows ILLEGALs to stay legally it’s amnesty. No thanks.
So how is this going to work? Does an illegal who’s been here 24 yrs admit they’re one yr short, and get deported? If an illegal’s been here 18 yrs, how is it going to be proven they’re seven years short? What motivation does an illegal who’s been here 10 yrs have for either not making a case for the full 25, or else remaining ‘in the shadows’?
Is there some grand index, that tracks where each illegal is and how long they’ve been here? No; there isn’t. The idea that we will just somehow ‘know’ which ones are lying and which ones are laying low—i.e.: not changing their status quo at all—is silly. The plan is useless.
It is kinda like Michele Bachmann’s position from about a month ago..... that she conveniently forgot while attacking Newt:
Can you smell the hypocrisy?
I don’t consider deporting 12 million people to be all that daunting a task. I’m frankly surprised that many do. Once the hammer comes down, most will self-deport (”Self Repatriation” has a certain ring)
It can be done humanely; it can be done logistically. It would create jobs, and simultaneously free up jobs wrongfully taken.
US citizens used to do roofing, concrete, drywall, landscaping, etc. before the invasion.
Who says they would have to? We DO have plenty of candidates telling us they would like to enforce the law. Just because Newt is a quitter, and so are you, doesn’t mean the rest of us are. That’s really all you have to do to solve the problem. It’s a false thing to say “well, you have to deport ALL the illegals, your plan has to be perfect!” Well, no, it doesn’t, we just have to enforce the law, secure the borders, and move on with our lives. FYI, illegals will self-deport once we get serious.
This is far worse...
The Economy is the #1 issue #2 illegal immigration....
If the Establishment candidate does not understand this concept, then see ya!
Like I said before they can give them welfare, house, educate, give them health care, feed them, issue them a driver's license but for some odd reason.... they can't deport them???
Tancredo: “The so-called Red Card Solution purports to create a new guest-worker program that solves all of our immigration problems...”
So Tancredo has chosen to lie rather than be content having a discussion on the issue.
Nobody EVER claimed it would “solve all of our immigration problems,” and Tancredo is a liar for purporting that anyone did.
Why is it that nobody seems to be able to contest Newt without resorting to lies, fabrications, and/or outright hypocrisy?
Newt ain’t half the man Tancredo is. And no one is lying about Newt’s record. You’re just in denial about it.
Yes he could defeat Obama, like Cheney in a Debate, but there is no way he will win an election. Too many independents view him as controverial. He has been a Lobbyist for the last 10 years. If Gingrich, like Romney, becomes the nominee, then Obama will get another 4 years. If Obama gets another 4 years, no telling where we will be.
Cain is the Republicans only chance to get in the White House.
Now I have heard that if Romney gets the nomination that Palin and Trump will run 3rd party. That will without a doubt torpedo Romney and the Republican party.
Newt agreed to shut down the border and no more amnesty 25 years ago since then all he has done is swap wives and chase the hired help.
Newt's amnesty plan is fatally flawed.
Memo to Gingrich: Conservatives are saying NO to amnesty and thus will say NO to you.
Yes, Gingrich is part of the problem.
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 promised to control our borders, implement sanctions on employers of illegal aliens, enforce current immigration laws, and oversee a humane and orderly path to citizenship for long-term, "law-abiding" illegals.
Over three million illegal aliens were granted amnesty, but the borders were not secured, there was extensive document fraud, and, owing to lack of political will, millions of illegal aliens continue to flow across our borders. Our jails have a substantial proportion of illegal aliens supported by taxpayers. The current administration discourages enforcement to the extent of jailing our border guards, and punishing States attempting to enforce the law. We now have 20 or more million illegal aliens wanting amnesty.
Politicians continue to lamely promise to secure our borders, while soliciting the votes that 20 million illegal aliens could provide if they were granted amnesty.
The bigger problem with illegals today is the direct result of failure to keep the promises of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. The politicians today want us to do it again only with a new Immigration Reform and Control Act, with the same false promises and attendant results. What a deal!
Spare me your hairsplitting. The Red Card white paper says this about its plan:
“Turning a Complex Problem into a Simple Solution”
and issue 1 & 2 are intertwined.
Who do you trust?
not to mention 6 or 7 times the size.
“It can be done humanely; it can be done logistically.”
Please tell us HOW.
Gingrich and others of his kind (apparently not at all observant) think it's simply not possible to RELOCATE 12 million illegal aliens ~ which is only 30% of the normal level of movement in this country.
I think our leiders should be required to drink coffee in the morning in huge copious quantities ~ then be injected with stimulants several other times a day until they literally BZZZZZZZ .
There's no excuse for their belief that America can't move people!
There is really no way to gather up between 10 and 20 million people and ship them somewhere else without massive violence and mass casualties. Police would have to be involved in raiding houses and arresting people. Look how much trouble one Elian Gonzales raid was, and then repeat that 10 million more times. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone talk about just how they’d go about locating, gathering up, and shipping off that many people.
1) seal the border
2) make English the official language
3) turn off the magnet - no welfare benefits to non-citizens
4) establish a guest worker system where anyone in the county illegally has to register for a card to be allowed to work legally. Registering for that card establishes the location of the illegals, and gives an indication of the number of illegals that are really here. I’d bet it’s a lot more than 12 million.
Now that the influx has stopped, the magnet is off, and you know how many are here and where they are, figure out if and how you’re going to deport them.
Any solution that starts with “deport them all” unfortunately won’t work. They’re not going to politely raise their hands, line up, and go peacefully home. We don’t know where they are now, so what makes anyone think we could even find them all? Are we willing to raid a Catholic church that’s offering sanctuary?
I think it’s fine to criticize Newt, but I don’t think I’ve heard a workable plan that addresses the entire problem besides the one he is proposing.
And yet another poster who offers up the amnesty or boxcars false dichotomy while ignoring the perfectly rational approach to creating conditions to where illegals want to self-deport.
No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no welfare
Most would self deport.
Newt has a record, he was Speaker in the 90s when illegal immigration grew worse than ever. All we got under his leadership were more amnesties (six of them), no sealed borders, and no enforcement.
Did you know that in 1998 he stopped Clinton from enforcing employer sanctions? Now you expect us to believe that he'll get it all under control this time? That's a fool's errand.
Sure whatever... just be sure to get back to us once step 1 is accomplished. Until then, why create a new incentive to entice people to come here illegally? Without more than “oh yes, of course” lip service to secure borders the whole thing is just more bait to bring more people in.
The main job of the federal government is to protect our borders. Newt wants to punt that to the private sector. One wonders what other parts of the constitution he has no intent of obeying.
Why is this in Breaking News?
Rush already nailed the red card plan. ACLU & other litigation buddies would have them legal citizens in no time under an “equal protection” legal maneuver.
Gingrich is for amnesty = scratch Gingrich
And don’t give me that bull about he doesn’t want to give them amnesty... he just wants to allow them to stay... lol so Gingrich wants to allow these illegal invaders to stay and keep taking jobs away from the citizens of this country? and keep driving down the wages of the citizens of this country?
go away Gingrich.
Cain is my man.
Self Deportation was working pretty good here in Alabama for oh maybe about a week until Eric Holder stuck his nose and legal team into it.
Like magic, jobs opening up, long lines of people ready to take those hard and not very pleasant jobs according to the news reports. Also, an exodus from the schools, good for that too, we can’t afford to educate the illegals children. Probably same for all the hospital maternity wards, we can’t afford that either.
Self deportation with strong laws with the ability and will to enforce them would take care of a good many of the lawbreakers.
"Go to America. Collect your Amnesty.
Collect thousands of dollars in Social Services payouts."
It looks like Tancredo NAILS IT. The plan DOES put illegals into the head of the line in that they get to live here as citizens (except not vote), work here, enjoy our benefits, have kids here, while others that didn’t sneak over are still stuck in Haiti, Sudan, and other countries. Seems like a HUGE REWARD for sneaking in...
Here’s the exact quote, starting at the very last sentence of Page 27:
“The Red Card would provide no path to citizenship or to permanent resident status at all. In accordance with the
founding American principle of equal opportunity under the law, anyone in the world can apply to be a U.S. citizen,
whether they are here as guest workers or not.”
One Repub. after another is falling on the sword on this issue. These RINO idiots just can’t figure out that these guest-worker and registration schemes are a LOSER position and the people have had enough.
Living in Alabama as I do i’ve found that people who defend the invaders or act like nothing can be done are one of 3 things
B someone involved with a church whose afraid of dwindling membership or
C someone who is helped in some way or another by the slave labor
Alabama has turned the “We cant do anything” meme into a red herring
Take the reasons they are here away and THEY WILL LEAVE
“1) seal the border
2) make English the official language
3) turn off the magnet - no welfare benefits to non-citizens
4) establish a guest worker system where anyone in the county illegally has to register for a card to be allowed to work legally. Registering for that card establishes the location of the illegals, and gives an indication of the number of illegals that are really here. Id bet its a lot more than 12 million.
Now that the influx has stopped, the magnet is off, and you know how many are here and where they are, figure out if and how youre going to deport them.”
And you can’t see that #4 creates the MAGNET that you’re trying to shut off????
Why do we even have to talk legalization NOW? Why doesn’t Newt or whoever simply demonstrate that they can build a wall and from there, after the wall is built (and hopefully electrified), we can talk about the illegals. They’ve been here for decades, they can wait another 2 years.
...but no, we ALWAYS have to tie legalization, or amnesty, when talking about securing the border. WHY???????????
And 40% of the estimated 12 to 20 million illegals came here legally and overstayed their visas.
” No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no welfare
Most would self deport.”
It sure has worked here in Arizona.
Illegals here have deported themselves by the 10’s of thousands the past couple of years.
So when a candidate says they’re going to round ‘em up and ship ‘em out, why should we believe THEM?
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