Skip to comments.Gingrich: Poor kids have bad work habits ‘unless it’s illegal’
Posted on 12/01/2011 2:14:08 PM PST by fightinJAG
GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich said Thursday that really poor children have bad work habits and no knowledge of how to make an income unless its illegal.
Doubling down on his argument that children in poor neighborhoods should be employed as janitors in schools, Gingrich argued that the best way to teach children in poor neighborhoods good working habits is to put them to work as soon as possible.
Start with the following two facts, Gingrich said Thursday at a campaign stop in Iowa.
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Why does anyone take this crazy guy seriously?
Kids should clean the school, all of them and without pay. IMO.
President has nothing to do with that either.
If I were a teenager, I would never want to clean up after my peers, and I don’t want my children to do so either.
There are enough rotten, bullying teenagers in my upscale suburb who would love to make the student-janitor’s life pure hell, and there were when I was growing up too. I shudder to think what they would have done to the bathrooms, but there is scope for nastiness just about everywhere.
When I was a kid I was a part-time janitor. I loved the job. This is not a new idea.
Yes, the big government solution, put them on the government payroll. Where they get paid for not working, how is that different from not working and getting welfare. Oh, I know, 5 cents an hour. Newt is probably all for 120% loans for the same people to buy 250,000 homes. That you pay for.
Yes, the big government solution, put them on the government payroll. Where they get paid for not working, how is that different from not working and getting welfare. Oh, I know, 5 cents an hour. Newt is probably all for 120% loans for the same people to buy$ 250,000 homes. That you pay for.
It seems like last week an objective observer would have said that Gingrich was, in part at least, attempting to pander (or "reach out") to the Latino community with his "path to legality" proposal.
Now he's got some ideas on poor Hispanic kids that, regardless, he expresses in a way that an objective observer might say would be viewed as a little harsh by the Latino community.
He certainly has a way with words!
Poor kids should learn to be janitors while rich kids get an education and participate in extracurricular activities or leisure time?
I have worked with people from all sorts of backgrounds.
Poor kids usually have a good work ethic because if they wanted any money THEY HAD TO WORK FOR IT.
Rich kids grow up lazy and entitled as often as not.
Were you a janitor at your school and were these jobs offered to you because you were a “poor” minority?
And holding a sign at occupy. You are correct.
Yes, there’s a lot about this proposal that is not thought through.
It makes me wonder if Gingrich’s internals are showing a backlash in Iowa against his “path to legality” for illegals, so on the stump out there he’s trying to come up with something, anything to sound as though, what, he’s tough on poor school kids?
I was a janitor at the grade school. I was in high school, and the job was eagerly sought. You had to be a good student to get it.
I was working my first paid job at TWELVE.
I was working part-time, full time during the summer, from 14 on.
It taught me a HELL of a lot. Like the fact that NOTHING comes free, or easy.
In Japan kids clean thier own schools. It is the job of the fourth graders to teach the first graders how to clean. The kids also bring rice and fish from home and prepare the meals. They clean up the kitchen and the end of the meal. I knew a Japanese woman with a kid in an American school. The Japanese mother was shocked when she learned that American kids don’t clean their own school. By the way, calculus is a mandatory class for all Japanese high school studednts.
This is key, and a key difference, I think.
When something -- ANYTHING, really -- is obtainable only on the merits (you were selected for this particular job only if you were a good student), then it is considered an honor and an accomplishment.
When you are given or forced to do a job because you are a member of a poor minority class, it won't have the same result -- for the individual, his peers or the school or society as a whole.
As you said, the President is involved in this why? How?
This reminded me of Bill Clinton spending time in a State of the Union speech talking about -- good grief -- SCHOOL UNIFORMS.
I'm beginning to think we've completely lost the notion of what the Presidency is supposed to be.
He’s talking about kids who are little more than gang fodder.
That sounds great.
But I don’t think it’s what Gingrich is talking about here.
If he is, that would be interesting.
Yes it is. I'm surprised that Newt didn't suggest that those poor folks simply apply for historian jobs with Freddie Mac, just like he did. After all, there is big money to be made there.
But maybe the poor folks are too lazy to fill out the historian application form.
We aren’t Japanese, and never will be like them. If you tried that here, the backlash would be massive.
Maybe Newt should also expound upon his “date your High School Math teacher for fun and profit” plan!
You know, for kids!
It's the same in South Korea. All tke kids, even in highschool, have to clean their classrooms and hallways regularly. They weren't paid for it, either and neither the poor kids or the rich, smart kids were singled out to do the job.
You're probably right on both counts (cleaning classrooms and required calculus) but that's why the Japanese and Koreans still have a work ethic and we don't.
The only person a Japanese or Korean person can expect to do anything for them is their momma, who cleans their clothes, makes their meals and kicks their a$$ if they get less than an A in any of their classes.
Yep and one of the worst areas in the Nation where such is so is the area in and around Pennsylvania Ave. and East Capitol Street, NE and 1st Street NE. in Washington D.C.
Talk about miss representing what he said, this is intellectually dishonest. Good god, this place is becoming more like du everyday.
Go watch the video for your self, don’t let these sleazy FR posters direct the conversation.
Yeah school janitors make big bucks for little effort nowadays as the schools hire cleaning services to handle the dirty work. I’ve done some jobs in schools where there would be up to a dozen janitors hanging out in the boiler room where they would sleep, play cards, and watch tv all day then go home. All were making $60k+ salaries supplemented with heavy overtime during the snow season.
Seems they might be too pressured, as they are both in the top 5 for suicide rates in the world.
Okay, Mr. ROFLOL, tell all of us poor unenlightened souls what your solution to the entrenched entitlement mentality is. You don’t seem concerned that these kids are without any examples in their lives of a person who actually has to work for a living . . . provide us all with an alternative.
I was passing papers at 10, fifteen hours a week. Working ever since. The biggest thing for me was the independence it gave me, no waiting for a hand out from dad. Teach these kids responsibility and independence while you still have a chance. This beats shelling out 40 grand a year to incarcerate them for much of their adult life. Who knows maybe the kids could explain WORK to their lay about parents and grandparents.
I already did the program that worked was the draft. And it was not a new big government solution.
Each of us 6 kids worked in the school cafeteria after lunch, mopped, washed dishes, took out trash. Mom and Dad couldn’t afford to pay all the tuition to parochial school so we kids worked at the school, and took summer jobs to help. We didn’t think a thing of it. I agree that many poor kids have a better work ethic, but certainly not all. Those who have things just handed to them will never learn. But, it’s the same for the spoiled, rich kids. Learning to work in this day and age...well, it must be difficult. I guess the military helps us out there.
The thing you got to remember is that people are generally rational actors in the marketplace, as in Locke, Adam Smith, etc. Welfare queens/daddies are acting rationally in taking advantage of what the system offers them. And if that means taking in food stamps, wic, section 8, social security, etc, that’s what they’ll do. They will spending part of their time working the system, and part of it doing odd jobs, preferably illegal (pays better), off the books. That’s an adaptation.
Point being, if you want them out of that you have to offer them something better. Working at a menial job for menial wages with no real hope of anything better, at little or no extra money over welfare, who’s going to do that?
Frank Zappa - Trouble every day
I heave a big sigh a lot of the time when I see Newt on television. Even when he has a valid point, as he does here, he manages to express it in a way that makes it easy for his opponents to attack him.
So, * sigh *
... Remembering that old '90s book ...
Make work pay, and people will work. It’s really that simple. Newt’s reverse-class-warfare mentality is starting to rear its pathetic head in public. It was just a matter of time, really.
Maybe we can get a genuinely conservative 3rd party after Newt finishes burning what’s left of the GOP to the ground.
Whig on, Newton! Whig on!
WTF do you think you're doing, posting drivel like that? You know very well how this Site works.
If people take time to read linked articles, or watch the videos, they can't get their
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I’d forgotten that one!
Also the people who moved off welfare to work often went to jobs the federal government subsidized anyway — as in, Fedzilla will pay you a bonus if you hire someone who has been on welfare within the last six months!
That’s why it’s so hard to get a job at Wal-Mart. They say on their website that welfare alumni don’t get “preference,” they just want to know your welfare status . . . so if they hire you, they can get their federal subsidy.
Benjamin Franklin approached it from the other angle: make being poor not very comfortable.
Such as: you don’t get a free cellphone or get to use your EBT card (electronic benefit card a/k/a foodstamps) at Taco Bell and the Dollar Store.
Whatever. You’re preaching to the choir here on entitlements.
But all Newt managed to do is come off sounding exactly like the sterotypical upper-crust cracker the MSM would like to paint all GOPers as. With real unemployment levels at 20%, blaming the poor and the unemployed in an attempt to divert attention from deep structural problems in the US economy may play to certain segments of the GOP, but he will get destroyed in the general election.
McCain redux dead ahead.
Actually, there's some controversy about this because the Act was implemented during an extremely strong economy. For example:
Welfare caseloads fell over the second half of the 1990s, but this was due in large part to the strong economy. . . .
The PRWORA was implemented during the longest boom in post-war history. Researchers have found that 40 to 80% of the fall in caseloads may be attributable to the boom, rather than the policy reforms. (See Council of Economic Advisors (1998); Wallace and Blank (1998); Ziliak, et al (1997) for a thorough review of this literature.)
Moreover, moving people off welfare and into work was not free. Lots of taxpayer dough "sweetened" that deal, such as (from here) $14 billion in 1997 dollars for child care funding, untold big money for continuation of health care coverage (including at least one year of Medicaid), a $3 billion (again in 1997 dollars) federal contingency fund to bail out state welfare programs, and most importantly, job subsidies.
As I mentioned upthread, these latter subsidies actually work to create a de facto affirmative action program for welfare recipients. They will get hired over someone else since this can provide a subsidy to the employer.
Is it still important to reform the system? Of course. But there is no free lunch. (Well, there is, actually, if you're enrolled in the free lunch program!)
I was agreeing with you the first time and am agreeing with you again.