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Newt Gingrich: U.S. should consider clemency for Jonathan Pollard
Haaretz ^ | Dec. 8, 2011 | Natasha Mozgovaya

Posted on 12/08/2011 3:17:43 PM PST by wvcon

"Leading Republican White House hopeful Newt Gingrich discusses Jonathan Pollard in an Interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN Wednesday. Gingrich says he is leaning towards clemency in the case of Jonathan Pollard, but hasn’t all the information needed to make up his mind. . . ."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gingrich; israel; newt; nsa; pollard; turnaboutfairplay; waronterror
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1 posted on 12/08/2011 3:17:48 PM PST by wvcon
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To: wvcon

Pollard is a traitor


2 posted on 12/08/2011 3:19:01 PM PST by brivette
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To: wvcon

I support Israel with the best of them but Gingrich is scooping near the bottom. Soon, very soon, he’s going to demand we move our embassy to Jerusalem.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 3:23:08 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: lbryce

A Ging pander. Next he will look to shore up the muslim vote by looking to pardon John Walker Lindh.


4 posted on 12/08/2011 3:25:25 PM PST by VicVega (LSU is without a doubt the #1 team in the nation. GEAUX TIGERS, Geaux Saints)
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To: wvcon

Why even take up issues like this ? Good Lord stop shooting yourselves with these idiotic questions


5 posted on 12/08/2011 3:26:32 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (There's nothing more hypocritical than a white liberal calling someone else a "bigot")
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To: brivette

Yes he is. But I think that 24 years imprisonment is enough and, providing he is stripped of his American citizenship and deported immediately upon release, we should let Israel have him.

I do not condone in any way shape or form what he did, but enough is enough. Nobody died, the secrets he passed to Israel were not that critical, and we have plenty of other fish to fry.

Giving up Pollard would be a low-cost goodwill gesture that an incoming Republican President could make to Israel by way of apology for the four years of hell they have had to put up with during the despotic, Jew-hating Obama regime.


6 posted on 12/08/2011 3:26:48 PM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: wvcon

Wrong answer, Newt.


7 posted on 12/08/2011 3:27:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ronin
Nobody died, the secrets he passed to Israel were not that critical, and we have plenty of other fish to fry.

How do you know those secrets didn't ultimately wind up in the hands of the ChiComs?

8 posted on 12/08/2011 3:28:29 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: wvcon
Reason 1001 why newt is a walking talking dumb-ass.
9 posted on 12/08/2011 3:30:24 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Because Newt has a lot of Good Ideas and a lot of Bad Ideas and a running mouth that can’t control what comes out. Newt himself predicted that he would win if he was discipline enough....that’s the hard part


10 posted on 12/08/2011 3:30:40 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: wvcon

Most don’t realize that Pollard WAS, in fact, paid, and that he ALSO spied for freaking *PAKISTAN*.

Oh sure, he was soooome patriot, yup, uh-huh.

Well that seals it —I am NOT voting 4 Gingrich.


11 posted on 12/08/2011 3:32:23 PM PST by gaijin
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To: A_Former_Democrat
Why even take up issues like this ? Good Lord stop shooting yourselves with these idiotic questions

Expect more and more of such crap from Newt. He literally cannot help himself from undermining his own message. Yesterday it was the silly "remove Assad" comment, followed by the obligatory (and by this point cliched) 'Bolton will be my SoS" fig leaf to try and smooth things over. Last week it was the kids as janitors stuff. Pointless, off-the-top-of-head noise. That's Newt!

12 posted on 12/08/2011 3:33:00 PM PST by montag813
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To: wvcon

Keep talking Newt.....hopefully you will talk your way out of this farce that is your coronation. Bachmann 2012.


13 posted on 12/08/2011 3:33:42 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Ronin
I do not condone in any way shape or form what he did, but enough is enough.

I see the sense in your statement. I think he was a major criminal - but there it is - he has served a major jail sentence.

14 posted on 12/08/2011 3:34:07 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: wvcon

Newt is a disaster.


15 posted on 12/08/2011 3:35:41 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: lbryce

Slimy Newt will pander to anybody in order to get their vote. The more I see, the less impressed I am. Claiming he was just giving FreddieMac history lessons for the millions they paid him takes the cake.


16 posted on 12/08/2011 3:36:25 PM PST by milwguy
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To: brivette

Newt supports amnesty for illegal aliens. Why not amnesty for traitors too? LOL


17 posted on 12/08/2011 3:36:33 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: brivette
Pollard is a traitor

Treason is defined in the constitution as waging war against the USA, or aiding and abbetting those who are. Israel and America are not at war.

Pollard is guilty of spying for an ally, and was sentenced to life. Compare that to Jose Padillo, an actual Al Qaeda member, who truly should have been charged with treason, and got 17 years. Of course if he had been a Soviet spy, Pollard would have been exchanged a long time ago. The lesson is if you are going to betray our country, make sure it's for an enemy, not an ally.

18 posted on 12/08/2011 3:37:02 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: lbryce

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Our embassy should have been moved there years ago.
Pollard is a traitor and should have been hanged.


19 posted on 12/08/2011 3:37:47 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: wvcon

There goes Newt again. Popping off an unnecessary idiotic comment and kicking his own self in the butt. He is incapable of keeping his mouth shut. Any fool thing that flirts in comes out the mouth.


20 posted on 12/08/2011 3:40:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: wvcon

Regardless of what ANYONE thinks of Pollard, this should never, ever, ever be discussed as part of a presidential election. Never.


21 posted on 12/08/2011 3:41:12 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: dfwgator
How do you know those secrets didn't ultimately wind up in the hands of the ChiComs?

If you're worried about this 2 1/2 decade old case, shouldn't you be leading the charge to have Bubba and gore strung up? Didn't they give (sell) military, tech secrets galore to the chi coms....who are now developing quite a sophisticated military now - especially their navy, subs and rockets/missiles.

crickets...

22 posted on 12/08/2011 3:42:31 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: VicVega

News Flash:Gingrich in Downtown LA Announces Feasibility Study For Slavery Reparations

News Flash:Gingrich Promises the OhMeeWanna Indian Tribe, land, casinos and more, lots more


23 posted on 12/08/2011 3:43:49 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: wvcon

wvcon...12/8/11, Welcome to Free Republic.


24 posted on 12/08/2011 3:45:58 PM PST by kacres
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To: BlackVeil

And that in a nutshell is all he said. So let us also not fall victim to over-analyzing it.

We need to put things back together with Israel. He’s speaking his mind and random ideas just like he always does. He even said up front that he is not sure he has enough information yet to form a good decision.

In the scheme of things, so what? I’d rather have occasional insight into what a man is thinking and how he thinks rather than someone like Bush that wouldn’t say anything even when crap was raining down all around him. Even when we were begging him not to do the first bailout and he just wouldn’t talk to us.

In case no one noticed, one of Newt’s methods is to say things on a subject showing how he currently sees it and then gauges the public reaction to it. That in itself, is good and not bad.

As him to shut up enough times and you might get what you asked for. You also may not like it.

Compare the open sharing of thoughts that Newt does with Obama’s “most transparent administration in history.”

Now does he still annoy you so much?


25 posted on 12/08/2011 3:47:57 PM PST by Advil000
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To: A_Former_Democrat

He’s pandering to the Jewish vote. But one thing he doesn’t seem to comprehend is that most of the pro-Israel vote is Christian, and most Christians would not vote to pardon Pollard.


26 posted on 12/08/2011 3:48:31 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: kacres

Thanks :)


27 posted on 12/08/2011 3:52:54 PM PST by wvcon
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To: dfwgator
How do you know those secrets didn't ultimately wind up in the hands of the ChiComs?

Because he didn't leak the information to the Clinton White House. He gave it to Israel.

28 posted on 12/08/2011 3:52:54 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: dfwgator

Nobody Died? NOBODY DIED??!! Have you forgotten about those that were killed by the Soviets when Israel traded our intelligence resources inside Russia for something or other, as was reported at the time, handed over to them by Pollard??


29 posted on 12/08/2011 3:53:00 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: Brilliant

If 70+ % vote for Dems regardless of Israeli policy, then I can’t see why any of them give a rat’s about Pollard

Seems a big non issue to me, with only a downside. Let him rot in jail.


30 posted on 12/08/2011 3:55:13 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (There's nothing more hypocritical than a white liberal calling someone else a "bigot")
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To: brivette
Pollard is a traitor

Yes, and Newt is typically delirious.

Gingrich, listen up. Traitors are very, very bad people who do not deserve clemency of any sort. At all. Ever.

Draft dodger Gingrich has never worn the uniform, and from his softie view of treason, it shows.

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31 posted on 12/08/2011 3:58:32 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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“...the secrets he passed to Israel were not that critical”

How do you know that? Unless you know the type and extent of sensitive information that he revealed how can you substantiate that statement?


32 posted on 12/08/2011 4:01:06 PM PST by Starboard
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To: wvcon

OMG. Newt has again jumped the shark.


33 posted on 12/08/2011 4:01:48 PM PST by kabar
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To: dfwgator

The State Dept. considers China an ally, and people who actually have been caught spying for them have typically served 1-2 years. In fact Pollard is the only American ever sentenced to life for spying on behalf of an ally.

I googled sentences for spies and came up with this. Obviously it’s biased for Pollard, but enlightening nonetheless.

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/sentences.htm


34 posted on 12/08/2011 4:04:41 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Right on Brother: Newt keeps shooting himself in the foot.

He is his own worst enemy.

Or rather his big mouth is.


35 posted on 12/08/2011 4:05:34 PM PST by Venturer
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To: wvcon
Newt Gingrich: U.S. should consider clemency for Jonathan Pollard

No it shouldn't.

36 posted on 12/08/2011 4:08:59 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: Ronin

Well said.


37 posted on 12/08/2011 4:10:58 PM PST by Obadiah (Obama's America: His Own Private Venezuela)
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To: gaijin

Hey, you weren’t going to vote for him anyway!! (LOL).


38 posted on 12/08/2011 4:13:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Obadiah; Ronin

Do you feel the same way about John Walker? He’s been in jail longer than Pollard has.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 4:13:32 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: Ronin

Pollard was sentenced to life in prison on one count of espionage on March 4, 1987. The prosecutor complied with the plea agreement and asked for “only a substantial number of years in prison;” Judge Aubrey Robinson, Jr., who was not obligated to follow the recommendation of the prosecutor, imposed a life sentence after hearing a “damage-assessment memorandum” from the Secretary of Defense.

In 1987, Pollard began his life sentence. His wife, Anne, was sentenced to five years in prison but was paroled after three and a half years due to health problems. After her parole ended, she emigrated to Israel. Jonathan divorced Anne, stating he believed he was going to be jailed for the remainder of his life and did not want Anne to be bound to him.

At the time of Pollard’s sentencing there was a rule that mandated parole after 30 years of imprisonment for certain prisoners who had maintained a clean record in prison. That parole date would be November 21, 2015. Pollard was also eligible to apply for parole after eight years and six months, although he has not done so to date.

His Federal Bureau of Prisons ID is #09185-016. He is incarcerated in FCI Butner Medium at the Butner Federal Correction Complex in North Carolina. The Bureau of Prisons (BOP) projects his release date as November 21, 2015


40 posted on 12/08/2011 4:20:40 PM PST by kabar
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To: wvcon

The following is the text of Henry Kissinger’s letter to President Obama:

March 3, 2011

The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

I would have written this letter sooner but for a long trip abroad, from which I have just returned. While I was gone, I gave much thought to the question of clemency for Jonathan Pollard. At first I felt I did not have enough information to render a reasoned and just opinion. But having talked with George Shultz and read the statements of former CIA Director Woolsey, former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman DeConcini, former Defense Secretary Weinberger, former Attorney General Mukasey and others whose judgments and first-hand knowledge I respect, I find their unanimous support for clemency compelling.

I believe justice would be served by commuting the remainder of Pollard’s sentence of life imprisonment.

Respectfully yours,
Henry A. Kissinger


41 posted on 12/08/2011 4:21:33 PM PST by jim22
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To: lbryce

Former US Secretary of State George Schultz has called on President Obama to release Jonathan Pollard:

I am writing to join with many others in urging you to consider that Jonathan Pollard has now paid a huge price for his espionage on behalf of Israel and should be released from prison.

I am impressed that the people who are best informed about the classified material he passed to Israel, former CIA Director James Woolsey and former Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Dennis DeConcini, favor his release.

I find the letter you received from former Attorney General Michael Mukasey of the Bush administration particularly compelling.


42 posted on 12/08/2011 4:21:40 PM PST by jim22
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To: wvcon

What is Newt smoking?..
Has he been to Mexifornia lately?..


43 posted on 12/08/2011 4:22:31 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: SoJoCo

From

http://www.jonathanpollard.org/sentences.htm

Comparative Sentences
The following tables indicate how grossly disproportionate Pollard’s life sentence is when compared to the sentences of others who spied for allied nations.
Pollard’s life sentence is also disproportionate even when compared to the sentences of those who committed far more serious offences by spying for enemy nations.


Table I: American Allies
Jonathan Pollard is the only person in the history of the United States to receive a life sentence for spying for an American ally.
On November 21, 2011, Pollard entered the 27th year of his life sentence, with no end in sight.
The maximum sentence today for such an offence is 10 years.
The median sentence for this offence is 2 to 4 years.
Name Spied For Sentence/Punishment Time Served
Before Release*
Jonathan Pollard Israel Life imprisonment
Michael Schwartz Saudi Arabia Discharged from Navy No time served.
Peter Lee China† 1 year in halfway house No jail time.
Ronald Montaperto China 3 months
Xiaodong Sheldon Meng China 2 years
Samuel Morison Great Britain 2 years 3 months
Phillip Selden El Salvador 2 years
Sharon Scranage Ghana 5 years; reduced to 2 years 8 months
Steven Baba South Africa 8 years; reduced to 2 years 5 months
Jean Baynes Phillipines 3 years and 5 months 1 year and 3 months
Geneva Jones Liberia 3 years and 1 month
Frederick Hamilton Ecuador 3 years and 1 month
J. Reece Roth China and Iran 4 years
Abdul Kader Helmy Egypt 4 years 2 years
Joseph Brown Phillipines 6 years
Michael Ray Aquino Phillipines 6 years and 4 months
Michael Allen Phillipines 8 years
Robert Kim South Korea 9 years 7 years
Leandro Aragoncillo Phillipines 10 years
Thomas Dolce South Africa 10 years 5.2 years
Steven Lalas Greece 14 years

* Time served before release is shown where known. Other cases of early release exist.
† U.S. government foreign policy deems China to be an American ally.


Table II: American Enemies
Jonathan Pollard spied for an American ally. This chart shows that Pollard’s life sentence is far harsher than most of the sentences received by those who spied for enemies, and thereby committed much more serious offences and treason.
Name Spied For Sentence Time Served
Before Release†
Alberto Coll Cuba 1 year
Mohammad Reza Alavi Iran 15 months
James Wood Soviet Union 2 years
Sahag Dedyan Soviet Union 3 years
Elsa Alvarez Cuba 3 years
Randy Jeffries Soviet Union 3-9 years
Amarylis Santos Cuba 3½ years
Joseph Santos Cuba 4 years
Carlos Alvarez Cuba 5 years
Mariano Faget Cuba 5 years
Brian Horton Soviet Union 6 years
Alejandro Alonso Cuba 7 years
William Bell Poland 8 years
Alfred Zoho East Germany 8 years
Nikolay Ogarodnikova Soviet Union 8 years
Hassan Abu-Jihaad Al-Qaida 10 years
Francis X. Pizzo Soviet Union 10 years
Daniel Richardson Soviet Union 10 years
Ernst Forbich East Germany 15 years
William Whalen Soviet Union 15 years
Edwin Moore Soviet Union 15 years
Troung Dinh Ung North Vietnam 15 years
Ronald Humphrey North Vietnam 15 years
Kurt Alan Stand East Germany 17½ years
Robert Lipka Soviet Union 18 years
David Barnett Soviet Union 18 years
Svetlana Ogarodnikova Soviet Union 18 years
Albert Sombolay Iraq & Jordan 19 years
Richard Miller Soviet Union 20 years 6 years
Theresa Maria Squillacote East Germany 21.8 years
Sarkis Paskallan Soviet Union 22 years
Harold Nicholson Soviet Union 23 years
David Boone Soviet Union 24 years
Ana Belen Montes Cuba 25 years
Clayton Lonetree Soviet Union 25 years 9 years
Michael Walker Soviet Union 25 years 15 years
Bruce Ott Soviet Union 25 years
Kelly Warren Hungary &
Czechoslovakia 25 years
Earl Pitts Soviet Union 27 years
H.W. Boachanhaupi Soviet Union 30 years
Roderick Ramsay Hungary &
Czechoslovakia 36 years
James Hall Soviet Union
& East Germany 40 years
Christopher Boyce Soviet Union 40 years
William Kampiles Soviet Union 40 years 19 years
Veldik Enger Soviet Union 50 years
R.P. Charnyayev Soviet Union 50 years
Marian Zacharski Poland Life 4 years
Aldrich Ames Soviet Union Life
Robert Hanssen Soviet Union Life

* Time served before release is shown where known. Other cases of early release exist.

Aldrich Ames: A Case In Point
Aldrich Ames who spied for an enemy nation (the Soviet Union), committed treason, and was responsible for the deaths of at least 11 American agents, received the same sentence as Jonathan Pollard. Pollard’s only indictment was one count of passing classified information to an ally. Pollard spent 7 years in solitary confinement, in the harshest unit of the harshest prison in the Federal system - FCI Marion.
Aldrich Ames’ treatment was far more benign, and (except for a relatively short period of time during debriefing) did not include the rigours of long years of solitary; nor was he ever subjected to the harsh conditions of “K” Unit at Marion - even though his offence was far more serious.


44 posted on 12/08/2011 4:23:03 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: Starboard
The info that Pollard gave (or sold) to Israel ultimately ended up on the internet. It contained some very sensitive SIGINT information. For that alone, he should do 25 years. He's almost there now, so maybe he should be stripped of his citizenship and deported to Israel. I would hope he'd be treated like a pariah.

From the Jewish Journal:

But all of this was dwarfed, according to a principal author of the Weinberger Declaration, by photocopying for Israel the massive 10-volume RASIN Manual. An acronym for Radio and Signal Intelligence [RASIN], the precious manual is known as "the Bible," according to the intelligence officer. The RASIN Manual details America's global listening profile, frequency-by-frequency, source-by-source, geographic slice by geographic slice. RASIN was, in effect, a complete roadmap to American signal intelligence. Informed sources say Pollard's RASIN Manual disclosure was the crux of a secret exchange in Judge Robinson's courtroom just moments before the outraged judge finally pronounced a life sentence. Some estimate the loss of the RASIN manual cost America billions of dollars and many years in completely restructuring America's worldwide eavesdropping operation. Though Pollard has sought to downplay the consequences to the U.S. of his actions, his crime was lasting and devastating to the U.S. intelligence community.

45 posted on 12/08/2011 4:28:02 PM PST by Ax
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To: Hugin

Pollard should only leave prison if he is in a pine box.


46 posted on 12/08/2011 4:28:23 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his own internet domain name, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Agreed. But my point is that the only people who care about Pollard are the Republican Jews, which a very small group.


47 posted on 12/08/2011 4:28:54 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: wvcon

After allowing thoughts like “Hey Newt ain’t so bad” to insinuate themselves into my mind over the last few weeks, I started to come to my senses a day or two ago, first when Ramesh Ponnuru skillfully brought me back to the reality of Newt’s ego-show as Speaker, and what it augers for a Newt presidency, then when I saw him kissing the ring (and other body parts) of the “You’re Fired” guy from New York, and now when he adopts a coy, and typically Newtishly self-interested, defense of a traitor.

I can’t vote for Newt. I don’t like him. I never did. He doesn’t represent me. As president, at any given time, any manner of outlandish flights of fancy might overtake him, and soon he’d be holding the country hostage to the rarefied conceits of his “superior” mind.


48 posted on 12/08/2011 4:30:06 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: wvcon

After allowing thoughts like “Hey Newt ain’t so bad” to insinuate themselves into my mind over the last few weeks, I started to come to my senses a day or two ago, first when Ramesh Ponnuru skillfully brought me back to the reality of Newt’s ego-show as Speaker, and what it augers for a Newt presidency, then when I saw him kissing the ring (and other body parts) of the “You’re Fired” guy from New York, and now when he adopts a coy, and typically Newtishly self-interested, defense of a traitor.

I can’t vote for Newt. I don’t like him. I never did. He doesn’t represent me. As president, at any given time, any manner of outlandish flights of fancy might overtake him, and soon he’d be holding the country hostage to the rarefied conceits of his “superior” mind.


49 posted on 12/08/2011 4:31:04 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: Ronin
Wow, just wow.

It's scary that some here are okay with 'selling out' for Israel.
50 posted on 12/08/2011 4:31:07 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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