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Is U.S. Drone Shown on Iran TV Real?
ABC NEWS ^ | December 8, 2011 | MARTHA RADDATZ, LEE FERRAN, LUIS MARTINEZ

Posted on 12/08/2011 3:49:56 PM PST by gandalftb

The aircraft shown on Iranian television today likely was not the American stealth drone that crashed in Iran last week, as the Iranian government claimed, but was likely just a model, U.S. officials told ABC News.

Today U.S. officials said the drone did not land intact.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; rq170; uav
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To: Qbert

“might come down gently” Your’re right, flying wings are very hard to stall and will autorotate to the ground like a boomerang.

However, Iran is very mountainous, almost continuously steep in the eastern half. The chances of it landing on flat ground, wheels down are not rational.

If it did land on flat ground with so little damage, it had to have its landing gear down, a belly landing would have cause a lot of damage, coasting over brush and rocks. Whom could have ordered the landing gear down?

The only way an RQ-170 lands uncontrolled with so little damage would be to glide down over water, wheels up. There is little of that in Iran and how would they have recovered it so fast if at all.


51 posted on 12/08/2011 7:30:59 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

Cheesy or not, the propaganda worked.

We should have immediately responded with a self-destruct precision-guided munition. “So sorry you guys messed with our stuff!”


52 posted on 12/08/2011 10:46:55 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Even if this drone is real, it’s not going be flight-worthy because they don’t have the software and hardware to start it up and get it in to the air.

And keep in mind that it's already outdated at this point.
53 posted on 12/08/2011 11:32:50 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: gandalftb
Higher resolution images have appeared.

From

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54 posted on 12/09/2011 3:15:49 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: justlurking

I’m of the mind that it’s fake and a planted fake. They will spend months....maybe several years...trying to develop their technology around this....and find that nothing really works.

I’ll even bet that a hard drive was onboard, and that the Iranians quickly rushed up to plug this into their network....releasing another stupid virus onto their military grid.


55 posted on 12/09/2011 3:24:17 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Tommyjo; All
Did anyone notice in the 2nd photo the line on the access panel on the top of the nacelle as if someone cut into the fiberglass/composite with a die grinder and went to far?

Lockeed doesn't have QC like that....

56 posted on 12/09/2011 5:58:07 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: taildragger; Tommyjo; All

Confirmed, we have satellite photos of the crash site, it was cratered.

Also, the RQ-170 doesn’t have an intake grill.

The latest Iranian photos do indeed show the wing seam taped on.

My question is why produce a fake and such a comical fake? They had to know that western eyes would quickly spot the fake.

As we did here first on FR, in the western media.


57 posted on 12/09/2011 8:35:32 AM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb; Paladin2
I don't know, all this sprechen ze Duestch makes me want to watch a certain segment of Blazing Saddles.
58 posted on 12/09/2011 8:47:39 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: exit82
Where da white women?

Ich kann nicht Deutsch.

59 posted on 12/09/2011 8:56:03 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: taildragger

What up with the vanity skirt?


60 posted on 12/09/2011 8:56:58 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: pepsionice
I’ll even bet that a hard drive was onboard, and that the Iranians quickly rushed up to plug this into their network....releasing another stupid virus onto their military grid.

How cool would that be?!!

61 posted on 12/09/2011 9:06:00 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: Tommyjo

What do you make of what is in the red circle in the 1st photo?


62 posted on 12/09/2011 10:23:38 AM PST by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...it's just that Cain loves mine!)
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To: wolficatZ
You are right, and it may be even worse than that:

Our military is THIS stupid?

63 posted on 12/09/2011 11:04:14 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: gandalftb

To prevent duplication, please do not alter thr published title.


64 posted on 12/09/2011 1:00:24 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Captain Jack Aubrey
The fact that they are masking the landing gear from view is a tip off that theirs is a fake. The landing gear would give away a fake.

Or, that it belly-landed on a rocky surface and ripped out the bottom of the aircraft in the process.

65 posted on 12/09/2011 1:02:14 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: gandalftb
Good eyes, that appears to be an assembly seam, outboard of the wheel wells. The Iranians copied that seam but covering it with putty or duct tape, per the video, is just comical.

If they had the real deal the seam would be flawless like the photo.

Thanks.

Or, they 'disassembled' the aircraft for transport and were unable to reassemble it correctly and used the putty and tape to hide the seams.

BTW, look at the width of the aileron on the trailing edge of the wing. Compare that with the size and location of the ailerons on the video fake.

Typically, flying wings use three sets of controls: Flaps, elevons and drag rudders.

The flaps are inboard and the outboard controls mix elevons and drag rudders.

What you are calling 'ailerons' are the outboard controls. (elevons/drag rudders)

Comparing this photo to the 3-view, it looks to me like the controls in the Iranian match those in the 3-view.


66 posted on 12/09/2011 1:16:31 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: freebird5850

The writer of the article is highlighting the damage that he sees on the left wing.


67 posted on 12/10/2011 4:27:11 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: taildragger

Good eyes! I noticed that and others have highlighted it on other forums.


68 posted on 12/10/2011 4:29:33 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Qbert
What do you make of this?:

"John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, a consulting firm, said he would have expected far more damage if the aircraft had hit the ground in an uncontrolled crash. But Richard F. Healing, an aviation consultant and former member of the National Transportation Safety Board, said many unmanned vehicles were “basically gliders,” with large wings relative to their weight. If it ran out of fuel, he said, a drone “might come down gently” and be damaged only lightly if it did not hit a tree or building."


Read and see the full set of pictures here.



This is what an F-106 looked like after an unmanned descent and "crash" from 12,000'. It was fixed and returned to service.


69 posted on 12/10/2011 4:49:41 AM PST by tanknetter
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