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US, Israel shocked by undamaged captured drone
DEBKA ^ | 14 DEC 2011 | DEBKA File

Posted on 12/13/2011 5:25:36 PM PST by BCW

Iran exhibited the top-secret US stealth drone RQ-170 Sentinel captured on Sunday, Dec. 4. Its almost perfect condition confirmed Tehran's claim that the UAV was downed by a cyber attack, meaning it was not shot down but brought in undamaged by an electronic warfare ambush.

This is a major debacle for the stealth technology the US uses in its warplanes and the drone technology developed by the US and Israel.

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KEYWORDS: economy; nationalsecurityfail; russians2iranians; sold2russians; traitors
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To: El Gato

Robotics expert Peter Singer, who has written about the use of drones in war, said the Sentinel is programmed to circle in the air or land if its communications link is lost.


21 posted on 12/13/2011 7:57:10 PM PST by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: BCW
THIS was the 3:00 AM phone call.

Obama ...FAILED.

Obama = Carter all over again.

22 posted on 12/13/2011 8:00:58 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("FREE TRADERS": Self-loathing Americans)
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To: BCW

Does the Iraqi Shiite military have access to this technology?


23 posted on 12/13/2011 8:41:14 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: BCW

Hard to believe this device didn’t have a remote-controlled self-detonate mechanism.


24 posted on 12/13/2011 8:42:27 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: bereanway
I’m guessing Israel knows the real story given the Israeli official’s statement about this illustrating the difference between the US and Israel positions on the Iran nuke issue.:

What do you think? What would Israel know?

25 posted on 12/13/2011 8:48:59 PM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: BCW
Its almost perfect condition confirmed Tehran's claim that the UAV was downed by a cyber attack, meaning it was not shot down but brought in undamaged by an electronic warfare ambush.

If a compter network can be hacked a radio data link sure as hell can be hacked

FYI... anyone remember the the story about a keylogger virus found on U.S. Drone Fleet just last week back?

Computer Virus Hits U.S. Drone Fleet--October 7, 2011 http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/

26 posted on 12/13/2011 9:08:52 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: BCW

Besides us, Does anybody else in the country even know or care about this?

It’s over man.
over

over

I’m 44 yrs old and THANK GOD i never spawned a child into this world.
The world is DONE.
IT’S ONLY TIME NOW........


27 posted on 12/13/2011 9:10:00 PM PST by mowowie
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To: tophat9000

This “We are going to go all Pilotless Drones “...is turning in to “We are going to go all missiles,no guns for fighter” F/Up of the 60’s


28 posted on 12/13/2011 9:15:02 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: GOPJ

The Israeli’s have the best intelligence network in that part of the world. You can bet they have a very good idea of how Iran came into possession of the drone.

The statement from the Israeli official indicates that the US and Israel have differing views on the Iranian nuclear crisis based upon this drone incident. Now (according to the official) either the US doesn’t take Iran seriously enough to attempt to destroy the drone, or, even worse somehow this transfer of technology was more deliberate. I’m having a great deal of difficulty believing Iran recovered such a pristine vehicle either through luck or technological prowess.


29 posted on 12/13/2011 10:03:25 PM PST by bereanway
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To: kralcmot

“Robotics expert Peter Singer, who has written about the use of drones in war, said the Sentinel is programmed to circle in the air or land if its communications link is lost.”

What genius thought THAT was a good idea? At least have it fly back home if the communications link is lost.


30 posted on 12/14/2011 6:27:29 AM PST by Hacklehead (Lets stop bashing Republican candidates and get back to bashing OBAMA.)
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To: Hacklehead

there is a lot of disinformation pushed out into the media.

i have no idea if the statement about the drones being programmed to circle and land if the com link is lost is true or not. it certainly could be a cover story to discount the other story put out by Iran that they took control of the drone and landed it.

meanwhile, other stories planted in the media suggest that the Russians supplied Iran with sophisticated jamming equipment and that is how the drone was compromised (this of course would fit with the meme that it circles and lands when the com link is lost)

finally, but not often mentioned, was the snippet in the NY Slimes that these drones fly at 50,000 ft. that probably means that Iran did not have the ability to shoot it down or damage it in flight.

can we connect the dots?

not without commenting on the interesting part of the photo that was released by Iran. Why is there a curtain concealing the under body of the drone? was the landing gear not employed or damaged? are there missile launch racks on this “intelligence” drone? everyone says no. but why not? this might explain how there were two mysterious explosions at Iran nuclear sites in this last month.

my addition and conjectures lead me here:

there is a covert shooting war between the US and Iran. Extensive damage has been done to Iran nuclear facilities and personnel.


31 posted on 12/14/2011 8:02:22 AM PST by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: bereanway
I’m having a great deal of difficulty believing Iran recovered such a pristine vehicle either through luck or technological prowess.

Me too... too big a stretch...

32 posted on 12/14/2011 8:13:22 AM PST by GOPJ (Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, Than a fatted calf with hatred - Proverbs 15)
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To: BCW

some rianina wag climed they were able to gain control of the drone due to KNOW VULNERABILITY ISSUES?

id say hes been peusing too many Hack Sites on the web.

a SPY PLANE with KNOWN Vulnerability Issues sounds like the product of a mind like Baghdad Bob’s

a former pentagon guys says the Deone thet are displaying is the worng coloc and the welds dont look right.

if they had a decent computer model builder.....but evidently they dont/


33 posted on 12/15/2011 3:08:47 PM PST by MeshugeMikey
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To: BCW
some Iranian wag claimed they were able to gain control of the drone due to KNOW VULNERABILITY ISSUES?

id say hes been perusing too many Hack Sites on the web.

a SPY PLANE with KNOWN Vulnerability Issues sounds like the product of a mind like Baghdad Bob's

a former pentagon guys says the Drone they are displaying is the Wong color and the welds don't look right.

if they had a decent computer model builder.....but evidently they dont/

34 posted on 12/15/2011 3:10:38 PM PST by MeshugeMikey
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To: Secret Agent Man
china could have very well taken it down. I read another headline here earlier we lost a drone around Seychelles - where China is building up a navy base.

I'm wondering if any of the chips used in that thing were outsourced to China.

35 posted on 12/15/2011 3:18:43 PM PST by tacticalogic (e)
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To: kralcmot
the Sentinel is programmed to circle in the air or land if its communications link is lost.

I can't believe it would be programmed to land in the territory of it's intended collection target.

I can believe it would be programed to head for "home" or some alternate but friendly location, upon loss of comms.

That is, after all, what manned aircraft do if a mission abort is required. Even the SR-71 would do that. (I just happen to be reading a book about flying the SR-71)

36 posted on 12/15/2011 11:38:22 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Tallguy
Plus thid UCAV may have been able to land automatically once it was lined up on an airstrip

I know it could, at least if the airfield has the proper navaids. Heck that capability was available back in the dark ages of 1977 when I interviewed with the company that did it. Proud of it they were. :) It was a manned aircraft, but it could land itself, hands off.

37 posted on 12/15/2011 11:43:39 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: bereanway

If you’re correct, then Iran, Russia, Nork were just handed a trojan.

If you’re wrong: a major security breach just occured.

If you’re correct: at best U.S.A. vacating the premises will result in Israel attempts to penetrate Iran’s defenses.

It all depends upon how dependend Israel is on U.S.A. technology.

What exactly is U.S.A. technology these days any more? The Mexicans build our F-15’s LCD no? I’d venture to state that 1/2 of Mexican government is cocain cartelle.

Obama will refuse to start ANY military aggression at all costs (until after Nov 2012 and EVERYBODY knows it).


38 posted on 12/15/2011 11:52:26 PM PST by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: El Gato

The drone’s GPS was ‘blasted’.

The drone thought it was in a different geographical place than actual. Once the drone recognized that an “upset” occrued in its brain it no longer trusted its own systems and relied on GPS. Of course GPS is what upset the drone in the first place.

Iran is claiming they have the means to control any U.S.A.vehicle (including guided missiles).

What Iran is in fact stating: if you send cruise-missile at our ass, we return to sender “addressee unknown”. What I believe is they’d just guide incoming U.S.A. cruise missile to Israel.


39 posted on 12/16/2011 12:04:00 AM PST by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: El Gato
Was the drone’s control link hijacked? That would in itself be frightening, since the link would be encrypted. But it’s hard to imagine how they could determine the correct commands to send to the drone to get it to land on their airfield, even if they broke the encryption.

The Iranians are now claiming they:

Thus, no need to break the drone's encryption nor to understand what to say once you've done so.

Nifty hack if it's true.

40 posted on 12/16/2011 12:26:01 AM PST by cynwoody
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