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Vanity: How Michele Bachmann can take Newt out and put a hurt on Romney
Between my ears | 12/16/2011 | Jabba the Nutt

Posted on 12/16/2011 4:51:35 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt

Michele Bachmann needs to connect the dots. She set the table last night at the debate, now she needs to close the noose.

Bachmann attacked Newt for stepping in, when the Republicans were going to take a vote to prohibit using party funds for GOP candidates, who support Partial Birth Abortion. Newt said at the debate, that he wasn't going to support "a purge" in the party. Newt, it's not "a purge". GOP candidates wouldn't be sought out and removed from the party, candidates whose judgment was so poor as to support the barbarism of Partial Birth Abortion just wouldn't get Party funds. David Duke was denounced, when he ran as a Republican in Louisiana and denied Party funds for his racist views. Partial Birth Abortion doesn't cross the line in Newt's opinion?


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Bachmann...

“Factually Incorrect”

her legacy, except when she pronouncing that vaccines cause mental retardation when “some mother told me so”

Not Presidential material.


51 posted on 12/16/2011 6:30:19 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Tredegar

“I’m a hopelessly partisan dreamer, quite prepared to face mockery, but Huntsman continues to slowly rise in New Hampshire. Far better him than Mitt Romney. Far better”

I thought your man Huntsman did very well last night. Intellectually, he’s equal or better than anyone else on stage. Thoughtful answers. Strong on economic issues. Knowledgable on foreign affairs. Tempermentally, OK, a little dull . . . but not irritating like Bachman or Santorium. . . or goofy like Perry.

He’s not my candidate, but I think he’s better than most of the others.


52 posted on 12/16/2011 6:31:59 AM PST by vekzen
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To: fabian

What did she say that wasn’t factual?


53 posted on 12/16/2011 6:37:41 AM PST by abigail2
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To: fortheDeclaration

Bachmann is toast, along with her bad makeup and awful hairdo.

And it will be SO good to have that witch quit after her upcoming epic fail in Iowa.


54 posted on 12/16/2011 6:39:38 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Solson

What facts did she get wrong? I really want to know.


55 posted on 12/16/2011 6:40:27 AM PST by abigail2
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To: Vermont Lt

but she’s a SERIOIUS candidate ! don’t ya know!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

se ya Bachmann!


56 posted on 12/16/2011 6:41:10 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Venturer
Bachmann is desperate. She is almost out of money, support and especially class. She has not attacked Romney even once this whole time. (Why is that?) Yet, she gave it her all to take both Newt and Paul down last night.

Newt rose above her level and beat her with her own rhetoric. The audience really responded to the few times FOX broke down and gave Newt a sliver of time. They also gave Romney countless rebuttals and all the time he needed to counter the tough questions given to him, but when Newt tried to counter the attacks on him, they cut him off short, before he could finish his response.

The audience clearly noticed this and cheered Newts classy and dignified answers. The thing FOX could not hide from the audience, is the fact that Newt is the quintessential Statesman. He displays the class and dignity that a President must project at all times. The audience noticed and FOX lost. BIG TIME!

57 posted on 12/16/2011 6:45:45 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: cripplecreek

You may be right about the possibility Bachmann could do well in Iowa.

Let’s not forget Iowa shares one of its four borders, with Minnesota.

The two states have much in common, one gets a bit colder.


58 posted on 12/16/2011 6:50:16 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("FREE TRADERS": Self-loathing Americans)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

This is the time for Bachmann to step forward and claim leadership.


Bachmann may claim but it takes more than her claiming leadership. The other part of that equation is the acceptance by the voters and that doesn’t appear to be happening no matter how hard she slams all the other candidates.


59 posted on 12/16/2011 6:50:17 AM PST by deport
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Now, Bachmann could go after Romney on his political activities or lack of them.

Michelle {I am a serious candidate, listen to me} Bachmann, is a bought and paid for mittens bitch.

Her role is to smear Newt or Perry {if Newt slips and perry gains ground} and her reward will to become part of the mittens crew... VP, SecTreas {she is a tax lawyer, and a mother of 5 and a foster mother of 23, and she is 55 years old and has been a "real person for 50 years"}.

Something strange happens to people that keep being pumped up by "handlers" that are being paid big bucks from citizen donations, and they keep telling the candidate how wonderful and wanted and needed are.

The human ego kicks in and what we have to watch ain't pretty.

60 posted on 12/16/2011 6:51:31 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: mmanager
I could've said Santorum or Perry, but Bachmann's the only one, who's attacking. I think Bachmann's biggest weakness is her personality, in that I'll agree, she comes across as humorless and desperate.

But it is, what it is. I just don't believe Newt Romney will turn the ship of state around. Bachmann will. I don't have to like her.

61 posted on 12/16/2011 6:53:05 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Give’em hell Newt. U got all the establishment marxist worried. lol

Get’em boy. lol


62 posted on 12/16/2011 6:56:11 AM PST by swampfox101 (I)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER
Gee, you nailed me. Keep up the good work.

Hmm, the Taliban call each other 'farmers'. Your handle is CHICAGOFARMER . . . who farms is Chicago. My gosh, you're a Taliban, Democrat, Taxeating troll. You're uncovered now, sucka.

63 posted on 12/16/2011 6:56:11 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Agreed, she was done a long long time ago.. has absolutely NO chance of winning the primary, let alone a national election.

However, like they say, denial isn’t just a river in Egypt.

This post isn’t wishful thinking, its flat out delusion.


64 posted on 12/16/2011 6:59:03 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: muawiyah
"Here's what happens when you are Speaker of the House and arrange to cut off funds for other Republicans ~ you end up as just another member, and there'll be a new Speaker who is a Democrat."

First, he was ousted anyways, so how did Plan A work out for Newt? Second, all I know about this is what Bachmann said last night at the debate and on Hannity. She reported that Republicans were voting to withhold funds to candidates supporting Partial Birth Abortion and Newt came in and turned that around. Sounds like Republicans disagreed with Newt, but he bigfooted to get his way. And the point is, how did that work out politically along with my Doug Hoffman example?

My friend (channeling John McCain), I think you got it backwards.

65 posted on 12/16/2011 7:00:37 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

The Republicans have departed from principle so far that they couldn’t catch sight of it even if they stood for a moment on the tallest hill.


66 posted on 12/16/2011 7:06:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: kevkrom
How's this "R" ueber alles working out in reality? Dede Scozzafava cancels Newt's vote, muddies the water of what it is to be a Republican and with Partial Birth Abortion; is nothing beyond the pale?

David Duke was beyond the pale and Partial Birth Abortion is NOT? Really. Did you support Arlen Specter?

This is the question I'm posing; is it only about winning, winning at all costs? We're watching the destruction of our nation at the hands of politicians mostly on the left, but also in the GOP, who play your game. More of this will save the country. Really?

I'm sick of the Realpolitik people here and in the GOP, who's policies, when they actually meet reality are a disaster. And I'm not being realistic? BS! Doing the same ol' is only going to get us the same ol' and we're twirling around the drain right now. That's the destination of the Realo's. Oh, and only Romney can win. Yeah, right.

67 posted on 12/16/2011 7:10:15 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Well, no, you’re not being realistic because you’re starting with two flawed premises: 1) Bachmann has any prayer of winning anything and 2) that she has shown any desire or inclination to “put a hurt on Romney”.

That aside, I was referring to Gingrich’s time as Speaker. His support for Scozzafava, at a time when he held no party leadership position, is absolutely something he needs to answer for.


68 posted on 12/16/2011 7:14:17 AM PST by kevkrom (Separation of Business and State)
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To: Neverforget01
Folks, you're missing the point, if you think I'm a Bachmann supporter. I just don't see Newt Romney capable of making the decisions that we need to turn this country around.

I've been leaning more to Santorum, but I'd go for Bachmann or Perry at this point. Bachmann is the only one, who's been attacking and I think she can make a strong case against Newt Romney. She may not be the one to benefit.

69 posted on 12/16/2011 7:14:48 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: hellbender
Thank you, someone's getting it. And the point is, is this RINOism good for the party? They claim it. They claim Romney's the only one, who's electable.

RINO's kill the party. If they keep it up, the GOP will be the next Whig Party: stood for nothing, fell for everything, was everything to everyone and nothing to nobody.

70 posted on 12/16/2011 7:19:04 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Sharron Angle in Nevada is trashed by the GOP grandees. Tea Party is a loser. Really.

As a Nevada independent, the Senate race last time was a toss-up and a real hair puller. Harry Reid or Sharron Angle? Sharron's record was one that made my hair stand on end as I kept looking at her history. Harry Reid's record was bad, just in a different way. I'll tell you, "none of the above" was very, very tempting.

If a political party wants to win elections, they need to put forward candidates that are attractive to the voters. Do you know how hard it is to punch that voting machine while holding your nose? McCain and Angle were just two of the Really Bad Choices this voter faced in recent elections. (At least McCain had a life one could find out about; Obama was a complete cipher, and I don't like voting for people who I can't read.)

I don't vote the brand, I vote the man...or woman. It's more work, but I think that the person in the office is more important than the machine behind the person; I had enough of the latter when I lived in Cook County.

Since I can't vote in the primary, in either party, I sit and observe, waiting for the two parties to come to consensus at their conventions. Then I take all the rhetoric from the primary elections and caucuses and get a fix on the candidates running in the general.

I will tell you that I'm a small-government, local-government advocate. I believe in balanced budgets. I believe that Parkinson's Law (the one about a mathematical equation describing the rate at which bureaucracies expand over time) requires active mitigation. I believe in sunset provisions in statutes, particularly where a particular piece of legislation is a "temporary fix". Or a "temporary tax" (what an oxymoron THAT is...or perhaps you never heard the Henny Youngman joke about nothing being as temporary as a woman's permanent, and as permanent as a temporary tax).

And I believe in the Constitution, as written and not as "interpreted" by people who stretch it all out of proportion.

November 2012 is going to be interesting. I hope you people who are voting in the primaries, or participating in the caucuses, keep in mind that you have the future of this country in your hands.

71 posted on 12/16/2011 7:21:14 AM PST by asinclair (Talk is cheap, actions are priceless)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Tell me how Partial Birth Abortion is NOT beyond the pale?

David Duke was over the line, but Partial Birth Abortion is not? And drawing this line makes me a supporter of totalitarian party discipline. Really?

72 posted on 12/16/2011 7:22:42 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jim Noble

I agree with you. Why should a state like Iowa, that keeps electing Tom Harkin as senator, have so much influence in who is the presidential nominee? The same goes for Liberal New Hampshire. What do they have, 3 electoral votes?


73 posted on 12/16/2011 7:30:52 AM PST by anoldafvet
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To: Jabba the Nutt
RINO's kill the party.

Newsflash: RINOs ARE the party.

Being a Republican means you stay a few notches to the right of the Democrats. But you're still a statist. You just pander to a different voting block, that's all.

74 posted on 12/16/2011 7:31:39 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Newt was exonerated on all the ethics charges.


75 posted on 12/16/2011 7:32:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Westbrook
"Is it in the best interest of the party to provide support for the likes of Scuzzyface, a pro-abortion, anti-gun, “progressive” that will vote against you in Congress regardless of which side of the aisle it occupies? Or even defect to the other party when doing so would give the opposition the power to grant the aforementioned pro-abortion, anti-gun “progressive” Republican a committee chair?"

Thank you, sir. You said what I was trying to say better than I did.

No matter what Gingrich's personal views are, what kind of decisions will he make? Let's say Gingrich opposes Partial Birth Abortion, but brings in 20 GOP members of Congress, who will not vote against it? This is the realistic view of politics. Really? Really?

Here's my argument: 1. The country is being transformed into a socialist state. 2. Who will turn this around?

Will Gingrich, with his "realistic" view of politics, where a Scozzafava is to be supported and Partial Birth Abortion is not beyond the pale? How does this turn the country around?

76 posted on 12/16/2011 7:32:36 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Doug should have started his campaign sooner.


77 posted on 12/16/2011 7:32:59 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: kevkrom
I think he simply spoke on behalf of everybody who'd gotten the Republican spot on the list.

He didn't know most of those folks. At the same time Scuzzyfuzzy was put there by district party bosses. Ire should be reserved for them.

Notice that the next winning Republican in that district was the guy who advertised himself on Craig's list ~

There are problems in that district that defy human imagination.

78 posted on 12/16/2011 7:36:18 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Redleg Duke
My warning is that Newt Romney means the self-destruction of the GOP AND the destruction of the country. My point is just electing an "R" isn't enough. The two President Bush's undermined the GOP. One main 8 years of Clinton possible and the other paved the way for Obama with their "practical, pragmatic, realistic policies". I just question how practical, pragmatic, realistic their approach really is when you actually consider the RESULTS.

What are you people, Liberals, who judge by their good intentions and ignore the catastrophic results?

79 posted on 12/16/2011 7:40:27 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Vermont Lt
I am not pushing for Bachmann. I'm pushing for anybody but Newt Romney.

In fact, during the debate the only time I applauded and shouted support was when Newt was going after the Judges and how Congress needs to exercise its authority to impeach insane judges and even to eliminated courts.

With the current Federal Judiciary, we're doomed. I've been advocating impeachment of judges for years or decades, this is the first time I've heard any national politician take that on.

With Newt, I question his judgment and question, whether he'll really walk the walk after all the talk.

80 posted on 12/16/2011 7:44:53 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: varon

Ha ha ha ha! Listen, it’s a family show, I had to change where she was going to kick him!


81 posted on 12/16/2011 7:48:35 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: kevkrom
Well, maybe I shouldn't have put Bachmann's name on this, but she's the only one attacking. I'd go for Santorum, in fact I lean toward him or even Perry. I just think that Gingrich has made too many political decisions that go against his professed personal views (and votes). Does this work: "I'm personally opposed to abortion and vote that way, but I'll fund pro-Partial Birth Abortion candidates as long as they have an "R" behind their name. If a "D" opposes Partial Birth Abortion, "screw 'em".

What decisions will Gingrich make as President, when he'll have all the reins of the GOP in his hands. What direction will he take the GOP? Toward his personal conservative views or toward what he thinks is politically necessary? Same question as where he'll take the country.

I don't know. I know the amoral political path ain't for me. I also don't think the amoral political path is also the successful political path as in winning elections, as we're being sold here.

82 posted on 12/16/2011 8:01:43 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: asinclair

I have a pal, who registers in whatever party, where his vote could make the biggest impact. Jump in and make a choice.


83 posted on 12/16/2011 8:18:29 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: muawiyah
The ethics charges against Newt were trumped up BS for political purposes. I remember they charged Newt for the college class he taught and for putting it on tapes. Outrageous!

My question for Newt is his political judgment: David Duke beyond the pale, Partial Birth Abortion supporters to be funded.

This also applies to Mitt. Where was Mitt in fighting TARP, Porkulus, Federal Reserve, fighting ObamaCare, supporting the Tea Party. Mitt's only cause that he supports is Mitt. What will Mitt's political decisions in directing the GOP, once he's the nominee and President. Will his decision turn the country around? Will he help grow the GOP? Will his decisions be informed by principle?

I don't know and I have my doubts. I haven't seen any positive signs in Mit record, Newt has some positive indictions and negative.

84 posted on 12/16/2011 8:28:59 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Here's an American Thinker article making the case for Bachmann: How Bachmann Can Defeat Obama. Thread posted here at Free Republic.
85 posted on 12/16/2011 8:49:59 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Personal attacks rule # 1 of democrat troll !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stand by my argument.

Trolls can not stand the heat.

Death to political trolls, tyrants, and corrupt politicians.


86 posted on 12/16/2011 9:00:25 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (personal attacks rule # 1 of democrat troll !!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

Personal attacks rule # 1 of democrat troll !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I stand by my argument.

Trolls can not stand the heat.

Death to political trolls, tyrants, and corrupt politicians.


87 posted on 12/16/2011 9:00:44 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (personal attacks rule # 1 of democrat troll !!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
David Duke was over the line, but Partial Birth Abortion is not? And drawing this line makes me a supporter of totalitarian party discipline. Really?

Yup.

It's up to the party members to police the ranks and enforce the ideology, not the party leaders.

I don't want a GOP where the leaders decide who gets funded and who does not.

Today they do not fund candidates who support abortion, tomorrow they do not fund candidates who oppose gun control.

88 posted on 12/16/2011 9:40:39 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi
Erik, tell me, you're really not this dense. Please tell me.

I'm not advocating that the Party determines who gets funded and who doesn't. The Party spends its own funds to support candidates. The Party decides which candidates it will give its limited funds to.

The Party uses some criteria to decide how to distribute those monies. The Party determined that David Duke was beyond the pale. Not only did they not fund David Duke, they made clear that the Republican Party did NOT support David Duke. American political parties can't expel people from membership or claimed affiliation or they would've sent Duke packing. They did what they could.

IMHO, support for Partial Birth Abortion is beyond the pale. The Republican Party ought not give funds to candidates, who support Partial Birth Abortion. Newt disagreed.

Would you fund a candidate, who supports Partial Birth Abortion? If no, does that make you some kind of a member of a totalitarian party?

It this finally clear enough for you? How old are you? You sound like one of the #Occupy protestors.

89 posted on 12/16/2011 10:30:30 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: abigail2

well, she made Newt out to be a liberal when he really was the main force in winning back the congress for republicans after 40 years! No small task. And they balanced their federal budget...and he did not vow to to help candidates who were for allowing abortion to be legal...Newt explained it and she mischaracterized that. She made some other factual misstatements that Newt called her on and I cannot remember what it was right now. She means well, but Michelle makes out of context and extreme statements at times that would not be so if they were accurate! Soemtimes they are, and sometimes they are not. I also think she sounded immature reacting to Newt and saying she is a serious candidate...why on earth would she need to say the obvious? Unless maybe she lacks something serious...


90 posted on 12/16/2011 9:04:33 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian; abigail2

But my main critique of Bachman is that she is a bit slow and lacking charisma...like a bit mechanical in her speech. I believe that and her over the top critique that doesn’t quite fit of Newt is why she never has picked up much support.


91 posted on 12/16/2011 9:14:28 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian; abigail2

This is from Blog for Victory and is very true. There is plenty of judgment flying around about Newt because he has said odd things at times. But is actual record is outstanding...Gingrich, on the other hand, is well known to many conservative leaders who recognize that, despite his self-acknowledged errors and flaws, he is the one candidate who has a real record of implementing conservative government.

Balancing the budget, welfare reform and a host of other conservative initiatives that Gingrich championed as Speaker are not mere campaign rhetoric — they actually happened.
I think calling Newt liberal is off the wall judgement...


92 posted on 12/16/2011 10:27:21 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

That is a good point. Thanks


93 posted on 12/19/2011 11:01:53 AM PST by abigail2
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