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To: LibertarianInExile
RP said: To declare war on 1.2 billion Muslims and say all Muslims are the same, this is dangerous talk.

No one has proposed that. It's insane to argue against a completely false straw man.

RP says: "we killed a million Iraqis."

That is wildly false. It's insane to say that.

RP says: "they want to kill us because we're bombing them."

In the entire history of the U.S. we have not so much as thrown a firecracker at Iran. His statements are utterly insane.

52 posted on 12/16/2011 6:12:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
RP said: 'To declare war on 1.2 billion Muslims and say all Muslims are the same, this is dangerous talk.' No one has proposed that. It's insane to argue against a completely false straw man.

Really? Ann Coulter has. This thread says otherwise: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2819403/posts So much for 'completely false.'

"RP says: 'we killed a million Iraqis.' That is wildly false. It's insane to say that."

Oh, please. You're pulling a single line out of context. The man was saying that we've killed a bunch of them. And we have killed, by some estimates, in the tens of thousands, but that has nothing to do with his point, which was that the war in Iraq hasn't solved the problem of Muslim extremism and war won't solve the problem in Iran. We can't solve the problem. Reagan left Beirut after realizing that.

"RP says: 'they want to kill us because we're bombing them.' In the entire history of the U.S. we have not so much as thrown a firecracker at Iran. His statements are utterly insane."

Maybe the violence we support against these people is simply too attenuated for you to catch on. We've historically funded the strongmen that have helped turn that region's uneducated masses against us. We pay off the corrupt House of Saud. We pay off the corrupt Shah. We pay off the corrupt Musharrafs and Mubaraks and Husseins, and then we have the gall to be surprised when, after we turn against or otherwise remove the propped-up dictator, their countries fall to the only organized opposition to these folks. And that is the extreme Islamists who look at everything evil these bastards did, and see it as American-induced because yes, we did pay for a lot of it, and yes, it is all too often our fault for looking the other way as graft is rampant in these one-party states.

The same is true in central America and Asia, and you could see the process in action if you went there, because the liberal elites that run most foreign educational institutions point to that corruption-for-influence game in order to spark revulsion in nativists, then promote revolution and communism in a lot of places. I saw it in Korea and I've seen it elsewhere. Heck, it works that way at home: the American people saw the corrupt Bushes as presidents and thought conservatives and the GOP were evil, and as a result we got the far worse Clinton and Obama. What's tough about this to understand? If we stay out of it, they can't blame anyone but themselves. If we prop up these regimes or their opponents via government action, what happens is what always happens--government f's up. If it were a bureaucrat going into rural West Virginia you'd see it, but since it's a Green Beret going into Bushehr you just can't accept it.

59 posted on 12/16/2011 6:46:45 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Newt Gingrich, a great conservative? Before he was Speaker and had to walk the walk, sure.)
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To: TigersEye
In the entire history of the U.S. we have not so much as thrown a firecracker at Iran. His statements are utterly insane.

The truth does not matter to a paulbot. They are not allowed to think. They can only follow their master. Just like the bunk that active military giving more to the surrender monkey than anybody else. The followers are taking a page out of Obama's playbook. They give a contribution and put down they are military. Obama has fallen to second in this scheme.
Anybody who has actually served knows any active serviceman does not have an extra $500 average to throw away on an anti-American fringe candidate. I admit they are good at spamming polls and fake donations, but their tactics will not turn into actual votes.
87 posted on 12/17/2011 4:03:52 AM PST by John D
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