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Kim Jong-il is dead [Main Thread]

Posted on 12/18/2011 7:13:39 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster; gandalftb

How to interpret what is happening in North Korea?

Obviously they have an Imperial cult http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_cult with a dynasty that is worshipped as gods that can make wonderful things like 11 hole-in-ones http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/from-fashion-icon-to-golf-pro-mind-boggling-facts-about-kim-jong-il/story-e6frf7lf-1226226100974

They borrowed the cult from Mao http://www.vision.org/visionmedia/article.aspx?id=3684 and Stalin. This followed a long tradition that can be explored in The Golden Bough by Frazer http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext03/bough11h.htm

The problem is; if Kim Il sung was the god, Yuri Irsenovich Kim his priest, what is Kim Jong un?
and what would happen if he prematurely would follow his father?

I am sure that a lot of North Koreans really believe in the divinity of the Juche, but how has this belief varied over the years? Was il-sung worshipped, Jong-il worshipped and feared, Young Jong only feared?

what would happen if it collapses? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2802392/posts http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/ML13Dg01.html


901 posted on 12/30/2011 4:07:13 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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BEIJING, Dec. 30 (Xinhua) China on Friday said it supports the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) and the Republic of Korea(ROK) to improve their relations.

Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hong Lei made the remarks at a press conference.

Media reports said the DPRK claimed Friday that it would not change its stance toward the ROK.

Hong said the maintenance of the peace and stability of the Korean Peninsular is in line with the common interests of all relevant parties, including the DPRK and the ROK.

China supports the DPRK and the ROK to improve their relations and push forward reconciliation and cooperation, he said.

The DPRK’s National Defense Commission said in a statement that “the DPRK will have no dealings with the Lee Myung Bak group forever,” the official KCNA news agency reported Friday.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2011-12/30/c_131336075.htm


902 posted on 12/30/2011 4:37:18 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith
Kim Jong-il completed the divinity of his father Kim Il-sung. After making his father a god, he had claimed the divine son of god, another god by hereditary link. However, toward the end of his life, he was less worshiped than feared. Now we have his son who tries to claim his divinity via hereditary line. The trouble is that he may well be neither worshiped nor feared. The personality cult of Kim family is dying. Fast. No cult worship means no rule. That is where things are heading toward in N. Korea.

Kim Jong-eun will probably try to fight to the bitter end to defend the cult. For others around them, I am not so sure. The members of regime's inner circle will evaluate the situation on a daily basis: Do I benefit from standing by the cult or turning against it? Or should I just opt out with stashed cash in hand?

For now, everybody is laying low to see how things will pan out. Everybody is trying to get a hint by figuring out what others are up to.

903 posted on 12/30/2011 7:18:28 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Yes, they are laying low as can be seen on the news agency web page: In Korean it is Dec 29 http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-k.htm and the English translation http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2011/calendar-2011e.html is only Dec 27.

No instructions or holiday?


904 posted on 12/31/2011 3:53:54 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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Unexpectedly harsh crackdowns and extreme treatment of defection cases since the death of Kim Jong Il are leading to fears that life will be even more repressive under Kim Jong Eun in 2012 than it was under his father.

Before the North Korean authorities announced the death of Kim, border security staff were given new orders to ‘eliminate’ suspected defectors and their families. Barricades have been set three or four deep in parts of border areas to keep people from escaping, while movement is being restricted in other cities as well by the People’s Safety Agency, the army and recently formed ‘riot squads’.

According to internal sources, the National Security Agency (NSA) has told local People’s Units to pass on the fact that defection will be met with unconditional punishment for three generations of the family.

Travel to border areas has been stopped for anyone not actually living there. Any travel, even for personal reasons, is banned, with the authorities simply refusing to issue travel passes to border towns. People in those towns have reportedly been told that they risk being shot if they are on the streets without just cause.

A broker from Changbai, China who helps defectors escape from North Korea told Daily NK that it has become extremely difficult to get out of the country at all, saying, “Most people wouldn’t even dream of it now.” Naturally, the increased security controls at the border have doubled the price of crossing the river.

Orders have been handed down to shoot anyone trying to escape via the East or West Seas, too. When an unauthorized boat leaves port, the coastguard issues a warning before giving chase. However, during the mourning period, orders were to treat any unauthorized ship leaving the shore as an attempted defection and to shoot on sight.

One of many side-effects of the new reality is that people in many areas are now finding it hard to make a living since goods are getting harder to source. Many residents have been eagerly awaiting the end of the mourning period so that some sort of ‘normality’ can be restored to their daily lives. However, the fear is that life for those outside Pyongyang will not even be allowed to return to the sort of repressive ‘normality’ that it used to exhibit.

http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk00400&num=8622


905 posted on 12/31/2011 4:00:02 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

N. Korea: The Signs Are Bad, and Time Is Short(expect more of the same) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2827068/posts


906 posted on 12/31/2011 4:11:28 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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N. Korea to issue gold, silver coins in honor of late leader
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2827064/posts


907 posted on 12/31/2011 4:12:46 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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The latest from Free North Korea Radio:

http://www.fnkradio.com/board.php?board=qqqnewsmain&command=body&no=5866

At 3 PM, Dec. 30, Kim Jong-eun gave an order in the name of late Kim Jong-il saying, "The use of all foreign currencies including dollar and Reminbi will be banned. It warned that the punishment for violation can be as severe as death sentence," according to our sources.

908 posted on 12/31/2011 4:18:13 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: AdmSmith

With this decree, the life in NK will get worse.


909 posted on 12/31/2011 4:19:21 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Yes, the flow of goods and food will shrink, the question is how long time it take until they will change the economic policy


910 posted on 12/31/2011 4:37:38 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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I suppose it will be in effect for at least a few months. That is an eternity for NK folks starving in brutally cold NK winter.


911 posted on 12/31/2011 4:40:44 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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“With this decree, the life in NK will get worse.”

Thanks, pal - I just blew coffee out my nose. I always laugh in the wrong places!


912 posted on 12/31/2011 5:01:06 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Decapitation strategy per regime change is the only hope now. And this will not occur under Obama and probably not under Romney. But could be expected under some others who might make their way to the White House and will require the cooperation and complicity of Seoul, even if disavowed publicly. This might be the only hope of the North Koreans now regarding the Kim Jong Un Regime, and Third Generational Dynasty of the Kim Clique.


913 posted on 12/31/2011 9:47:32 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (If FR slowly morphs from anti-Romney, via rationalizing, into supporting, as for McCain, FR is over)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster
Power behind Kim Jong-un’s throne: the ‘Gang of Seven’ emerges from the shadows

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8986568/Power-behind-Kim-Jong-uns-throne-the-Gang-of-Seven-emerges-from-the-shadows.html

MSM is catching up, we had it two days ago
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2822160/posts?page=896#896

914 posted on 12/31/2011 1:20:48 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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source: http://nkleadershipwatch.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/kju-officially-named-kpa-supreme-commander/

The numbers are their number in the list of the National funeral committee. http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2011/201112/news19/20111219-06ee.html/ahttp://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2011/201112/news19/20111219-06ee.html
915 posted on 12/31/2011 2:28:15 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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This http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZC6JuTlOVM is what they should have done at the funeral instead of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anGNUcv2gzc


916 posted on 12/31/2011 2:51:19 PM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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Czech:Police to probe Czech communist party leader’s condolences to North Korea
917 posted on 12/31/2011 6:00:22 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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THE eldest son of North Korea’s late leader Kim Jong-Il has secretly visited Pyongyang to pay his last respects, according to a Japanese newspaper.

Kim Jong-Nam’s absence from a state funeral and other official events related to his father’s death has fuelled speculation about a possible power struggle with his half-brother Jong-Un, who has taken over North Korea’s top posts.

Jong-Nam, 40, flew to Pyongyang from the Chinese territory of Macau, where he mainly lives, on December 17 after learning about his father’s death that day, the major Japanese daily Yomiuri Shimbun said. He left after “a few days” and was now in Macau, the report said.

Using a passport under the false identify of Kim Chol, he avoided a flight via Beijing which might have given more exposure to his return home, the daily said quoting a source connected to North Korea.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/kims-eldest-in-secret-visit-to-see-body/story-e6frfku0-1226234297034


918 posted on 01/01/2012 3:00:33 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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In this strange New Year poem (link below) the line -3 in the last paragraph is 세상에 오직 한분 김정은 동지만을 Do they talk about Comrade Jesus Christ or is the translation wrong?
919 posted on 01/01/2012 3:45:03 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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http://www.rodong.rep.kp/view.php?gno=2&tno=4


920 posted on 01/01/2012 3:45:43 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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