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Salvation Army marching toward abortion support?
WND ^ | 12/17/2011 | Anita Crane

Posted on 12/19/2011 1:34:47 PM PST by surroundedbyblue

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To: Zionist Conspirator
The original post was with regards to the Salvation Army's policy on when abortion is permitted. I merely came into the thread to explain, to the best of my poor ability, the Halakhah on this issue, which isn't 100% consistent with the Catholic position, though it agrees with it more than disagrees with it.

Then every one decided I was an evil nefarious liberal who had come out of nowhere to "promote abortion."

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That is an exaggeration. I certainly did not decide anything of the kind, and I would doubt that I am alone.

What I have seen is a highjacking of this thread, and what appears to me to be an intentional attempt to pit Catholics against Protestants.

121 posted on 12/20/2011 12:06:38 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; DJ MacWoW; Zionist Conspirator; Religion Moderator; Jim Robinson
Imho, this important issue regarding the Salvation Army has been hijacked. I think it stinks.

You are exactly right.

There are plenty of thread in the Religion Forum to discuss Jewish vs. Christian beliefs, this thread is about abortion.

As for the absurd notion that Judaism is fine with a great many abortions, it should be pointed out that this is a PRO-LIFE forum.

122 posted on 12/20/2011 12:07:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I have no respect for your ego.

Remember me when some Catholic is laughing at you and attacking you for not believing in "apostolic tradition" and calling you a "Bible-worshiper."

Have a nice day.

Thank you. You do the same.

123 posted on 12/20/2011 12:08:07 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; DJ MacWoW; wagglebee; All
Remember me when some Catholic is laughing at you and attacking you for not believing in "apostolic tradition" and calling you a "Bible-worshiper."

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If any doubts remained, the above should end them.

Shame on you.

124 posted on 12/20/2011 12:11:08 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
As for the absurd notion that Judaism is fine with a great many abortions, it should be pointed out that this is a PRO-LIFE forum.

Judaism is not "fine with a great many abortions." The vast majority, if not all abortions today, are strictly forbidden.

I will assume you are letting your emotions speak for you because the alternative is not pleasant to contemplate.

The rules of an Internet forum can no more dilute the Laws of G-d than can the religious beliefs of America's Founding Fathers. It is what it is.

125 posted on 12/20/2011 12:11:49 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; trisham; Dr. Brian Kopp; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
Let's just say that Catholicism and Judaism/Noachism are different religions and don't agree on everything 100% and leave it at that.

NOBODY disputes the fact that there are differences between Judaism and Christianity; however, that isn't what this thread is about.

ALL orthodox Christians (be they Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox) agree that abortion is ALWAYS WRONG unless the mother's life is at stake.

YOU are trying to defend some bizarre position under which YOU CLAIM Judaism is fine with abortion for a great many reasons up until the moment of birth. Whether this is the case or not is irrelevant as Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum.

126 posted on 12/20/2011 12:13:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

ZC, you are like an ex-smoker who now believes that you have the absolute moral authority to force everyone else in the world to stop smoking because you NOW know everything there is to know. Well, you don’t.
I told you before. You have a lot of ‘knowledge’ but not very much wisdom. Stop letting ‘scholars’ do your thinking for you. Quite often, the ‘scholars’ are wrong, and even MORE often, they have an agenda.


127 posted on 12/20/2011 12:16:05 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
please have the consistency to recognize that your rejection of that Oral Torah is the basis for Protestant rejection of Catholic oral tradition.

Sorry, no, wrong answer.

Its the rejection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, that causes this division between you and I, not the "rejection of the oral Torah."

128 posted on 12/20/2011 12:20:51 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: trisham; Zionist Conspirator

Zionist Conspirator showed his ignorance. I have many Catholic friends. Some on FR. And we all agree that Jesus is Lord. What’s to laugh at?


129 posted on 12/20/2011 12:25:32 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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Zionist Conspirator showed his ignorance. I have many Catholic friends. Some on FR. And we all agree that Jesus is Lord. What’s to laugh at?

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Absolutely. Some of my best friends are Catholics and Protestants. :)

130 posted on 12/20/2011 12:32:09 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; wagglebee
this important issue regarding the Salvation Army has been hijacked. I think it stinks.

My apologies. I never even looked at the top of this thread. I just assumed this thread was in the Religion Forum, and engaged the debate under that assumption. I did not realize until now it is in the news forum.

Mea culpa.

131 posted on 12/20/2011 12:33:05 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I understand. No apology is necessary.


132 posted on 12/20/2011 12:34:14 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Easy mistake to make, considering....


133 posted on 12/20/2011 12:35:18 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: trisham

LOL!!!


134 posted on 12/20/2011 12:35:41 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

:)


135 posted on 12/20/2011 12:37:12 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

While I, of course, am an avowed heretic. LOL


136 posted on 12/20/2011 12:37:39 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

LOL! Nice to see you, friend. :)


137 posted on 12/20/2011 12:43:20 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

“As for the absurd notion that Judaism is fine with a great many abortions, it should be pointed out that this is a PRO-LIFE forum”

Yes, yet those toward the beginning of this thread who were defending the SA & making exceptions for abortion are still here, hiding in the shadows. Shame SHAME on them.


138 posted on 12/20/2011 12:55:03 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
Judaism is not "fine with a great many abortions." The vast majority, if not all abortions today, are strictly forbidden.

Really? Earlier you said that abortion was sinful but not a capital offense (e.g. murder) before the soul entered the body and that in Jews the soul didn't enter until the head was in the birth canal.

I will assume you are letting your emotions speak for you because the alternative is not pleasant to contemplate.

Yes, the fact that an innocent American is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS is emotional and unpleasant to contemplate.

The rules of an Internet forum can no more dilute the Laws of G-d than can the religious beliefs of America's Founding Fathers. It is what it is.

Yes, and you have stated that the Laws of God allow abortion up to the first trimester in non-Jews and up until birth for Jews; however, you have been able to provide any Biblical support for this claim.

139 posted on 12/20/2011 12:58:57 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: All; madmaximus; surroundedbyblue

The pro-life group, ALL, is stronger yet:

“NOTE FROM ALL: Although this article asks if the Salvation Army is marching toward abortion support, a reading of the Salvation Army’s position makes it clear that it already does support abortion – in the cases of “life of the mother” and “fetal deformity” – as well as some cases of rape and incest and it also supports abortifacient birth control.”

snip http://www.all.org/charities?page=4#Salvation_Army_USA

I learned a year, or two ago, from ALL that the Salvation Army has exceptions.


140 posted on 12/20/2011 9:45:47 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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