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To: csense; wagglebee; surroundedbyblue; trisham
This notion that God sits in heaven and zaps the unborn with a soul (not to mention life itself) at a certain point in gestation is simply nonsense.

Exactly. And the other rodef argument is a page right out of the liberal "exceptions to protect the life of the mother" playbook, an exception by which one can justify almost any abortion, as history has proven.

Years ago, Fr. Paul Marx, founder of HLI, was accused of being anti-semitic merely for asking why people of Jewish descent are disproportionately represented among abortion providers:

Human Life International (HLI), a Virginia-based anti-abortion group, has singled out Jews as disproportionately responsible for, even controlling, the abortion-rights movement. The organization’s founder, Father Paul Marx, wrote as long ago as 1977: "I do not blame the Jews for the abortion movement. I do say, and will say because it is the truth, that it is a strange thing how many leaders in the abortion movement are Jewish." Marx supported his observation by noting, "A famous genetics professor in Paris told me that the leaders of the abortion movement in France were Jewish. I saw one, a Jewish female liar, do her thing on behalf of abortion at the World Population Conference in Bucharest."

Marx also stated: "The fact is, I am surprised and shocked by the number of Jews who lead the abortion movement in so many countries after their horrendous experience with Hitler…. My medical friends, and I have many, have told me again and again how many Jewish doctors do abortions freely. From a highly reliable source in a city I shall not name for the moment, I learned of a Jewish doctor who does sixteen abortions every Saturday morning for $300.00 each."

A decade later, in a 1987 newsletter, Marx charged: "There’s a most ironic side to the widespread, furious objections of some Jews (and others) to Pope John Paul II’s routine diplomatic reception of Austrian President Kurt Waldheim: the same segment of the Jewish community that accuses the Pope of insensitivity to the Jewish Holocaust not only condones but has more or less led the greatest holocaust of all time, the war on babies.

"It’s obvious to anyone who’s studied the abortion movement in the Western world as long as I have (25 years), that a large segment of the Jews that is disloyal to the teachings of Judaism more or less leads the abortion movement."

In 1993, an article in HLI’s newsletter declared: "Today, certain members of this people whose ancient religion and culture managed to survive Auschwitz and Buchenwald are presiding over the greatest Holocaust in the history of the world. American Jews have been leaders in establishing and defending the efficient destruction of more than 30 million preborn children in this country….Why are the victims of one Holocaust perpetrating another?"


145 posted on 12/20/2011 11:36:05 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
And the other rodef argument is...an exception by which one can justify almost any abortion, as history has proven.

Unfortunately

146 posted on 12/21/2011 12:57:30 AM PST by csense
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Zionist Conspirator
Unfortunately also, he is right about Halacha:
The circumstances under which an abortion may be performed are the subject of intense debate within the halakhic literature. The one basic principal upon which there is agreement - at least as a theoretical truth - is that fetal life has a lesser status than maternal life. This is evident from the Toraitic account (Exodus 21:22-23) of a fight between two men in which a pregnant woman is accidentally injured. If the fetus is lost but the woman survives, then the aggressor is punished with a fine, but if the woman is killed it is considered a capital crime, a case of "nefesh tachat nefesh", demanding the life of the guilty party in recompense for the life lost.
http://data.ccarnet.org/cgi-bin/respdisp.pl?file=13&year=5755

There are many more references that support this position: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/abortion.html

http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/cavalier/Forum/abortion/background/judaism1.html#II

147 posted on 12/21/2011 2:37:17 AM PST by csense
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