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To: ccwman

“With that in mind, Article i, section 8 lists the powers of Congress “to declare war, grant marquee and reprisal and to make rules for the Capture on Land and water” - nothing in this language to meet grants the power of Congress to initiate hostilities - unless in defense of the homeland, and only then with specific and limited power to the executive.”

The power to declare war is a planary power, one with out limit or restriction. When you say that Congress would be acting outside the Constitution were it to initiate hostilities against an entitity except in defense of the homeland (when we have been fired upon), you have placed a restriction on this power not found in the constitution.

Hypothetically, suppose the commander of forces in Hawaii detected the Japanese flotilla on 6 Dec 1941 in close proximity (within or almost withing stiking distance of Hawaii), would you consider him to have the authority under his oath of office to launch a pre-emptive strike against that flotilla without congressional action, ie, a declaration of war?


61 posted on 12/23/2011 11:53:25 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DugwayDuke

In that circumstance then yes,we could attack if there actions are overtly hostile and in proximity to our nation.

To attack Japan wit no flotilla near Hawaii -because they have an excessive carrier strike force and a large imperial Japanese navy - no that is not warranted for a pre-emptive attack. North Korea has not attacked the US. Do we attack them anyway? What the difference between North Korea and Iran?

Ron paul would also advocate attacking the Japanese flotilla, but attacking North Korea because they have nukes wouldn’t be warranted. Even a build-up of troops on the N/S Korea border pre-emptive attack isn’t warranted. Once they cross the line then we unlimber with all effective and overwhelming military firepower.


62 posted on 12/26/2011 12:38:03 PM PST by ccwman
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