guess that lets me out...
Posted on 01/01/2012 10:48:30 AM PST by markomalley
If a homeschooled student can’t pass the GED test then something was obviously wrong with either the homeschooling or perhaps with the test.
I was fortunate that I went to an excellent public school. Although the public and BTW all girls high school I attended in the 70’s in Baltimore City believe it or not, required an application, teacher recommendations, excellent grades, zero behavioral problems to get in and to stay in. Back then it wasn’t called a magnet school and the classes I took were not “AP” as that term wasn’t in place yet but many of the classes I took were on a college level. Back when I attended a diploma from that HS would almost guarantee college acceptance or for those in the “business course”, a job with nearly any major employer in the area. In fact many I knew got jobs right after graduation with Black and Decker, McCormick’s, Bell Atlantic and I knew a few girls who got jobs with the FBI. They all came to the school and recruited seniors for jobs after graduation. Sadly they eliminated the business course sometime in the 80’s. It’s still a good school for a public school, especially a City school, but a shadow of its former self. : (
Of course it was accepted. Colleges know they don't have to put home-schooled kids through any remedial courses.
Which is a shame, there are some bright kid that could easily pass the GED and start their college early but the colleges they wish to attend would hold their GED against them.
Which is a shame, there are some bright kid that could easily pass the GED and start their college early but the colleges they wish to attend would hold their GED against them.
I disagree. While some employers may view a GED as inferior, none have that I’ve ever worked for and I’m in HR. If an employer advertizes that a job requires a High School Diploma “or” GED, they are saying they are equal. If they advertise a job that way and then discriminate against those with a GED, they are setting themselves up for a lawsuit. I don’t believe a public college will turn down a student with a GED if they had a high GPA and excellent test scores in the SAT. Private colleges are a different matter.
I can't tell you how many old black guys I came to know there who had moved to Detroit from the deep south during the late 40's, 50's and 60's that had never even attended high school.......
When it came time to retire, I was the guy who processed their retirement applications and paperwork. There were a few who asked me to help them with the paperwork because "they left their glasses at home". These guys I was especially helpful with because I knew it wasn't their lack of glasses, it was that they couldn't read......
Many of these guys would come back to me with their wives and I would explain to them all over again what the papers were all about.
Personally, I would like to see schools, especially in problem cities like Detroit, offer more job skill training in things like mechanics or wood working for high schoolers that won't have the intellectual capacity to go on to college........
Right, but that was “back in the day” when people who had GEDs were the ones who were:
1. serving/drafted in the armed services
2. had to work on the farm to support the family
3. had to find employment at a young age to support mom and dad
Today, GEDs are reserved for Gestation Enabled Druggies. Kids who simply don’t go to school/got knocked up at 16/are into drugs/alcoholism and the parents couldn’t care less.
Today’s community college is nothing more than remedial 10th grade.
EVERYONE goes to college today to learn what those who are 50 and over learned in 7th grade. Which is a shame because more emphasis should be put on trade school. You’re still going to need someone to fix your furnace/install a roof, etc.
This is exactly what you would see within 6 months if every government owned and run socialist K-12 school were shut down, paddlocked, and then reopened as a privately owned charter.
Ideally there should be complete separation of school and state with charity paying for the poor. Charters, vouchers, and tax credits could be the means to get us to that point.
BINGO! Example: my husband’s children from his first marriage. She’s a CHILD PROTECTIVE WORKER and a FOSTER MOM yet her three biochildren are failing public school abysmally. And this is mainly because she views her children as “friends” so she doesn’t enforce homework/classwork or rules of any sort.
To cover for the shoddy parenting, she got her daughter labeled as “learning disabled—other” after putting her through testing several times until she got the “answer she wanted.” Much easier to say “oh, my child is learning disabled” than to say “oh, I’d rather not parent; it’s WAY too hard and far too much effort!”
So now she has a 13 year old 7th grade boy crazy daughter who looks like she is 21 (very tall and big for her age) who academically is in 2nd grade. All three (two additional boys) are on some sort of “ADHD” meds as a poor substitute for proper diet, sleep and parenting. Very sad indeed; and of course my husband has no say so in anything because fathers are pretty much “policied out” in the courts. The court is only concerned about child support payments (which are paid fully; $1000 a month from his 36K a year), not parenting time with father.
I say this as an experienced mother (12 years OLDER than hubby’s first wife; in case you were thinking what you were thinking; wink) with two fully functional grown children.
This is not meant to answer your question which appears to be rhetorical...just an observation...in some quarters a GED is considered circumstantial evidence of spotty education and the typical attendant shortcomings. I would never suggest to the recipient of a superior home education, that he should obtain a GED. Unless of course it would shorten his sentence. :)
well the endgame is in sight, one way or another.
It depends. What is the goal? Acceptance to one of the Ivies? Standford? Homeschoolers with no high school diploma or GED are routinely accepted to the most competitive schools. But...Hey! Get into these schools requires planing and strategies whether a child is homeschooled or institutionalized for their schooling.
My children were accepted to community college ( without a GED) at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. The most irritating issue was that since they did not have a high school diploma or a GED they were not eligible to apply for any federal, state, or community college scholarships. ( Although one of the children did at one point, at private college, get a private scholarship.)
The kicker with the GED was that **by law*** children had to be 16 or older in Maryland to take the GED. When we moved to another state the minimum age was 19! Geeze! By 19, two already had B.S. degrees in mathematics, and one was half finished with her masters in math. Admission to the state university wasn't the problem. That we had to pay full-tuition was.
If I were czar, any child of any age would be permitted to take the GED or similar private exam. If they passed, their local high school would issue an official diploma from **that** school. I would also require that students pass the GED to graduate from their local high school, and all government **teachers** would take the GED every other year.
States could save significant money just by allowing children of any age to take the GED and offering a regular high school diploma from the local high school if they passed.
1) Many children could get started in college or trade school **years** early
)2 The state would save money by needing fewer teachers.
3) The state would have workers in the taxpaying workforce longer.
There are two problems with government owned and run schools:
1) All of them are godlessly secular in their worldview. Simply by attending children must think and reason godlessly if they are to cooperate in the classroom, read their textbooks, and turn in assignments.
For citizens who are God-centered in their worldview this is horrific, and it is painful to be forced ( under police threat and court action) to pay taxes for the establishment of this religiously non-neutral godless worldview in minds of our next generation of citizens.
3) All government owned and run schools are a socialist entitlement. They are socialist schools. Again, simply by attending children risk learning that the government has great power to take money from their neighbor to pay for their tuition-free socialist schooling. Well? Gee! If the voting mob can take money from the treasure for tuition-free school, why not use the voting mob to rob the treasury for **lots** of socialist goodies?
The above is not **good** and can not be fixed. It is intrinsic to all socialist-entitlement programs. The solution is to begin the process of privatization of universal K-12 education.
FYI,I wasn't the poster who posted that comment.
Requiring a college degree in chemistry for a job at a pharmaceutical lab is also a civil rights violation.
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As well it should be.
I am contemplating suing a trucking company because the ad they have on the back of their truck is/was “WE HIRE SAFE DRIVERS”.
Definitely discriminating against unsafe drivers.
One thing for sure though
YOU can bet your bippy that the judges and lawyers will make certain that I can’t represent you (or vice versa) in a Court Case...not sure that isn’t a bad idea BUT it isn’t fair that I can’t just be a lawyer if I want.
Like when told a person was a “Civil War Buff” George Costanza replied “How do you become a buff? I always wanted to be one”.
There is no way for a public school, tax payer funded school system to accommodate and fairly and objectively teach all of the various religious beliefs of all their students and their tax paying parents. That is of course unless if you are willing to have your children learn all about Judaism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Mormonism, Buddhism, etc., etc. etc.
That’s not to say that public schools should promote nor denigrate any religion above or below any others or promote atheism (and I say that as an atheist). But when you want public schools to teach a God-centered worldview, be careful what you wish for as it is most likely not going to be the God-centered worldview you want to teach your children.
I recall my mother telling me about what happened in her elementary school classroom in the 1940’s where her teacher referred to Catholicism as “Idol Worshipping” and her Catholic students as “heretics” not to mention the vile comments she made about the Jewish kids. That IMO has no place in the classroom. When you bring religion into the public school classroom, you are opening yourself up to ridicule if your religion is not that of the teacher or of the community at large.
If you want your kids to get a religious based education, then pony up the $$ and send them to a private religious school but don’t expect me to pay for it anymore than you should be forced to pay for a “godless” one if that’s what I want my kids to receive.
The solution is to begin the process of privatization of universal K-12 education.
Exactly!
Wintertime
Exactly! ( MD Expat in PA)
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It's the only possible solution to this inevitable and never ending war of educational religious, political, and cultural worldviews.
guess that lets me out...
While I think private businesses should be able to set their own criteria, a high school diploma often means nothing and some children with disabilities complete high school without obtaining a diploma.
It is ignorant to criticize people with certain disabilities as 'stupid' - an individual may have low IQ or difficulty learning due to the gifts God has given him and only a cretin would abuse him for his weaknesses.
Compare such an individual to an average high school slacker with a diploma and I know which one I would prefer to hire for an appropriate job.
The ADA just generates lawyer fees due to its plaintiff gets paid clause.
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