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(Liberal) Alan Colmes: Rick Santorum took dead baby home to 'play with it'
Examiner ^ | 1/2/2012 | Joe Newby,

Posted on 01/02/2012 8:16:51 PM PST by tobyhill

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To: Mariner

Whatever, whether my child was the size of a baked potato or a blade of grass neither deminishes it’s value as a human being. However, the mental image of a baked potato in relation to a dead newborn baby is monstrous. And you refuse to own up to your characterization. Your poor choice of words were hurtful...accept it.


341 posted on 01/03/2012 12:25:22 PM PST by coloradomomba (Lord God...please use me.)
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To: Lazamataz
No Laz, I don't think you're a necrophile.

But you didn't bring home a dead 20 week premmie to kiss and cuddle with you and your children of 1.5, 4 and 6 years..."for several hours" (according to Santorum).

An average baby at that age is 10inches, crown to heel. Weighs an average of 10 ounces.

That's another universe from kissing grandma goodbye.

Or, perhaps you don't perceive that.

342 posted on 01/03/2012 12:45:05 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Vermont Lt
Barbara Bush had a miscarriage and she took him home in a jar for awhile. I don't know how long, or exactly why. But everyone grieves in their own way.

Colmes needs a serious wake up call to the back of the head with a lead pipe. Put the mutant atrocity out of his misery.

343 posted on 01/03/2012 12:56:24 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Lazamataz; Mariner
#128 bit the dust too but it was quoted here.

This guy and Colmes are some seriously warped units.

344 posted on 01/03/2012 12:57:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Mariner
No Laz, I don't think you're a necrophile. But you didn't bring home a dead 20 week premmie to kiss and cuddle with you and your children of 1.5, 4 and 6 years..."for several hours" (according to Santorum).

Doesn't matter, the age of the deceased. And I spent "several hours" at the funeral with my mom, of which a few moments was saying goodbye, giving her a kiss, and a hug and crying over her.

Probably the same amount of relative time was spent saying goodbye to the unborn child. "Several hours" of funeral, and the goodbyes took seconds.

And yet, you want to rip Santorum, but not me. Odd.

345 posted on 01/03/2012 1:07:19 PM PST by Lazamataz (Romney is the Pale Obama. That's all.)
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To: Mariner
>>But you didn't bring home a dead 20 week premmie to kiss and cuddle with you and your children of 1.5, 4 and 6 years..."for several hours" (according to Santorum).<<

Where should the body lay while funeral arrangements are being made or while family and friends are being notified? My parents lost 4 babies like that. We all spent time with each one. Do you go to the funeral and spend time with loved one’s who pass on?

346 posted on 01/03/2012 2:03:16 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: southphilly

He doesn’t damage liberals, he carries their message. He’s saying exactly what their thinking.


347 posted on 01/03/2012 2:17:02 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Reagan69
Santorum is still creepy.

Yes, because everyone knows it's creepy to mourn over the death of a miscarried child in your home. The proper thing to do with a pre-born child who dies is to throw the body in a dumpster. That's not creepy at all.

(We live in a sick society).
348 posted on 01/03/2012 2:24:12 PM PST by Antoninus (Defeat Romney--Defeat Obama.)
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To: annieokie

For some parents, having a retarded child is physically more than they can handle. For those who don’t know, it’s often literally like the ‘terrible twos’ that never end, with all that that implies. It’s no picnic.

In that event, I totally understand parents institutionalizing their child/adult. The problem is or at least was when I worked in the field, the vast majority who see their retarded/disabled kids as an embarrassment or a ‘stain’ on their family. I very much liken it to Muslims and their ‘honor killing’ ideas in the sense that somehow they feel that having a retarded child has shamed/besmirched their ‘honor’. So they simply throw them away and pretend they ‘never happened’. It’s an ugly thing to say but anyone who ever worked in the field will confirm it.

Institutions and more recently ARCs/Community Residence facilities serve a needed purpose, but I assure you, you did the right thing. BELIEVE ME. Very few people would or even could do what you did and that boy is more blessed because of it.


349 posted on 01/03/2012 3:25:27 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Taking care of my grandson was a BLESSING, I was able to stimulate him very early and saw that he knew and understood things I said.

Would not trade him IF I could. That kid (14yrs now), we happlily take him everywhere with pride. I can go into a local store and the clerks will say "Hey N....", then give him something. The whole town loves him, he's a ham.

I do understand other parents who have, or feel they must put them away, I will not judge them.

Our next concern is where will he live in the future. He will of course learn to tend to his own needs, and will be busy looking at some kind of facility with apts., and they will give them work. Rest assurd will be very careful with that. Frankly I don't trust anyone to care for him as we do.

He has an older brother, that knows he will be responsible for him, and that is hard for me, as his brother deserves a life himself. Mother and Dad are going to finally need some time for themselves.

It has been on my mind, that perhaps he could come live with me, as I age (or digress in age), perhaps one day we will meet ages, rofl. Not sure if that would work out.

Not sure either of how long a life he may have, as his heart has a leak. Heart defect at birth, so he may only live to be around 40/50.

So nice speaking with you on this.

350 posted on 01/03/2012 4:24:06 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

As I say it’s been a while, but FWIW in New York the county and state both had versions of assisted living/work facilities and of course there are private ones that can be an option if insurances/family finances can swing it. There are a number of options really.

Remember Rule 1. State/County facilities are run and often staffed by/with government liberals with -—EVERYTHING-— that it implies. But the most important thing I can POSSIBLY stress is to get the records of any facility you consider. Specifically, their policies regarding staffing and background checks. I just cannot emphasize this enough.

You will most likely encounter ‘abuse’ allegations at any facility you screen. It’s the nature of the beast. The opposite of parents who throw away their disabled kids are the parents who DO pay attention but think that every instance of a cut, bruise etc is a global conspiracy to violate their child. You really gotta read between the lines on a lot of those. That said, Bad things happen and sometimes seriously so. It’s a hell of a task to differentiate between the two based on the paperwork alone. And then there’s state/fed regs that demand every stubbed toe get a CAT scan and every scratch an investigation. Sometimes you just have to follow the gut instinct. If a facility has a string of similar episodes with different ‘clients’...well, smoke/fire and all that.

All in all, If you/family can find a way to generally keep him home and do an ‘outpaitent’ kinda thing with socialization/work in a supervised facility, that’s the way to go IMO FWIW. Barring that, bring him home on weekends religiously and weekdays randomly. Involved family with ‘rational expectations’ (and I cannot possibly stress that ‘rational’ part enough) make for happy and ‘attentive’ caregiver staff, happy and properly supervised ‘children’ (of any age) and fewer ‘problems’ of the unwanted variety.


351 posted on 01/03/2012 4:58:07 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: Norm Lenhart
"""All in all, If you/family can find a way to generally keep him home and do an ‘outpaitent’ kinda thing with socialization/work in a supervised facility, that’s the way to go IMO FWIW. Barring that, bring him home on weekends religiously and weekdays randomly. Involved family with ‘rational expectations’ (and I cannot possibly stress that ‘rational’ part enough) make for happy and ‘attentive’ caregiver staff, happy and properly supervised ‘children’ (of any age) and fewer ‘problems’ of the unwanted variety."""

See how blessed I am, discussing this issue with you is my new blessing, Thanks.

You can bet you boots, we will take all precautions in this. I can see the pain in his parents faces when we discuss it, but we must face the facts.

I would have no problem with him coming to live with me. The only problem is education, he is still in mainstream school, but after that is the what??? Can't let him idle, and I would not be able to assist much. He does need to be with others his age on a daily basis and do some type of work.

Frankly, I really don't see any type of institution for him, more like live at home and take him for some sort day out activity with others or work. I know of some private places, we will look into. He knows every xbox, wifi system there is and how to hook it up, and usually beats us all. Smarter than I am, lol.

Believe me, we will do what is BEST for that boy, and I rue the day if someone were to mess him up. His brother,6ft.225 lbs., on a short fuse when it comes to his brother. lol.

I am bookmarking this thread for refrence back to your posts.

352 posted on 01/03/2012 5:15:19 PM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie

You haZ Freepmail ;)


353 posted on 01/03/2012 6:18:53 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (Curse you, Norm Lenhart! Im slain, crumpled in a ditch by your obvious superiority - Humblegunner)
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To: Mariner

I find it telling that you had no balls to respond to my post.


354 posted on 01/04/2012 6:39:20 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: ConservativeMind

And what exactly was your post?


355 posted on 01/04/2012 6:52:21 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Post #166.


356 posted on 01/04/2012 7:24:02 PM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: ConservativeMind

Are you an elderly woman?


357 posted on 01/04/2012 8:50:56 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: tobyhill

Not a Santorum fan, but this is over the top and under the sewer.

Never saw Colmes as anything but a pile of excrement that was used to make Hannity look intelligent.


358 posted on 01/04/2012 8:58:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Lazamataz; Mariner

The “overnight” you are referring to actually happened in the hospital. The baby died, and the Santorums stayed with him in their hospital room until the morning.
That is when they took him to show the family prior to the funeral.

When my daughter was declared brain dead, we brought her siblings along with other family members into her room to say goodbye.
We spent the night with her.
There was cuddling, holding, and crying of course.

Was this creepy and sick? Are we necrophiles?


359 posted on 01/04/2012 9:15:24 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife
You OBVIOUSLY didn't read the Washington Post interview from 1995 and see the direct quotes from Rick Santorum.

I posted it earlier in this very long thread and no longer have energy to argue the point.

360 posted on 01/04/2012 9:25:52 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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