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To: Sola Veritas; trisham
The moralizing I was talking about is that which is directed towards people you don't like with improper designations of that person's being.

Politically, oh yeah.

Hot is not a derogatory statement made towards women, and it is not analogous to gay/homosexual at all.

Most intelligent aware women know that and do not understand it in the way you do.

The older ladies (your age and above) really got a kick out being called a hot babe. In my experience it is appreciated and taken in the light hearted manner in which it is expressed

And no, I don't hang out with s***s and w****s.

187 posted on 01/06/2012 2:30:27 PM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Syncro

“Hot is not a derogatory statement made towards women, and it is not analogous to gay/homosexual at all.”

I think I failed to communicate correctly. I mentioned “gay” because it is a perversion of a good word coopted by homosexual males. I refuse to use it. Actually, the homosexuals prefer to be called “gay.” I won’t give them the satisfaction. They are “homosexuals” which is a correct use of English they cannot dispute.

Whether, calling a woman “hot” is derogulory is a matter of opinion, culture, and circumstances. Granted I’m not up on the latest slang, but the way I have seen the term used in the media and by those around me in the workplace. I would consider it derogulatory.

In the “social” not “workplace” circles I generally run in (Church primarily) this would be considered profanity. I’m from Oklahoma(urban) and currently living in Missouri(rural). The “ladies” I know, would be deeply offended by such terminology, even in light jest. I go to a run of the mill Baptist church....neighter strict nor liberal. Maybe the Christian folk of your neck of the woods have a different outlook. That would be cultural.

“Most intelligent aware women know that and do not understand it in the way you do.”

Well, I can tell you that the woman of my life that matters, (my wife of 20 years), considers the term demeaning and has made me aware of it). If my 16 year old son were, he doesn’t, use such a term to describe a respectable young woman in the presence of his 47 year old mother....he would be severely disciplined by her. And as I said before, the ladies of my social circle, would have a similar view....as do the men. So, maybe the “women” you know find it amusing, but the “ladies” I know do not.

In the workplace and when I’m doing military duty, I see the use of such terminology when men are talking to men about women(and much worse of course). I seldom never see the term used when a man is talking to a woman....it could be construed as “sexual harassment” and we are constantly warned, in the workplace and military, to avoid that. In fact we are warned to be very careful in even paying a simple compliment (like “you look nice today”) to a female. In fact, the military tells us that to even complement a female soldier in a way that can be construed as sexual (construed means the female soldier considers it so) is sexual harassment. If it makes the female soldier uncomfortable...then it is sexual harassment. While I would agree this is a little too “politically correct”, it is a reality in the military because of sexual misconduct. So, I wouldn’t tell a female soldier, even in the most innocent of circumstances, that she is “pretty”, and definitely never say she is “hot.” That would be a career killer.

Anyway, I admit I’m prudish by today’s standards, and not savvy to the latest in slang, but I really must conclude there is a major cultural difference between us and the circles we operate in. That IS NOT meant as an insult, just a simple observation.

Whatever, take care. And again I am sorry for my previous derogulatory comments about your character & motives. I was out of line.


192 posted on 01/06/2012 5:43:25 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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