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Sounds as though the "panhandler" threatened the wrong guy's children.
1 posted on 01/11/2012 3:58:42 PM PST by marktwain
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They need to ban panhandling. It’s dangerous to one’s health.


2 posted on 01/11/2012 4:01:39 PM PST by Paladin2
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An armed society is a polite society.


3 posted on 01/11/2012 4:02:10 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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Gee, no slant in the verbiage in this report, huh?


4 posted on 01/11/2012 4:09:06 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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"Historically, you were to retreat rather than use deadly force,"

And this duty to retreat created in a lot more dead innocent people than stand your ground ever could.

5 posted on 01/11/2012 4:12:08 PM PST by circlecity
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Need this law in downtown San Francisco.


6 posted on 01/11/2012 4:13:38 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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The law should absolutely provide that someone may “stand their ground”. Sure, the better part of valor is to withdraw and avoid bloodshed if possible, but it can’t be left up to a court to determine what was, and was not “possible” at the time. I wouldn’t want anyone second-guessing my threat perception, especially when they have the luxury of cool-headed distance of time and space, and I didn’t. I would hope the law would back me up.


7 posted on 01/11/2012 4:15:28 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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How long do you think it took this ambulance chasing shyster to find this homeless guy and take him on as a client. Probably not as long as it took the deputy to pull his gun and shoot the guy. Lawyers are scum.


9 posted on 01/11/2012 4:28:06 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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"Historically, you were to retreat rather than use deadly force," said Nova Southeastern University law professor and utterly moronic leftist dolt Bruce Rogow. "This incident underscores the potential dangers of the law."

Fixed...

10 posted on 01/11/2012 4:29:03 PM PST by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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The article is not very informative. If the panhandler was a threat of killing or seriously injuring the children then shooting him might be ok. Why did not the shooter hit the guy in the mouth rather than shoot him? Too many questions. One cannot respond with deadly force if met with a nondeadly assault.

I favor a no retreat law provided the threat amounts to grievous bodily harm or death and the shooter did not provoke the confrontation. The former Florida law mandating a duty to retreat was the old standard under the English Common law and was rejected by most states.

12 posted on 01/11/2012 4:31:14 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Oh, and to elaborate:

Hey “Nova Southeastern University law professor Bruce Rogow,” you idiot: This retired officer was supposed to retreat? How? Leave his kids behind to be assaulted by the aggressive panhandler? Magically teleport them away? Use less than lethal force, thereby putting himself at risk of having his firearm taken and used on himself or his children? Should he have stood there contemplating these options, giving the aggressive panhandler the opportunity to actually hurt his children?

What a typical holopophic leftist academic...


13 posted on 01/11/2012 4:34:56 PM PST by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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... Maury Hernandez pumped several shots into an unarmed homeless man during a confrontation ...

Remington 870 or Mossberg 500?

15 posted on 01/11/2012 5:02:07 PM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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Guy gave him several warnings. Don’t know how easy it would have been to get everyone and just leave. Generally even if you’re in the right you still don’t actively want to have to use your gun on someone. I am assuming the guy was getting more and more upset and probably would not have let them leave in peace.


18 posted on 01/11/2012 5:55:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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“”Historically, you were to retreat rather than use deadly force,” said Nova Southeastern University law professor Bruce Rogow. “This incident underscores the potential dangers of the law.” “

Of course, to these pinheads running away solves crime somehow.


29 posted on 01/12/2012 5:00:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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