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Posted on 01/18/2012 5:18:06 AM PST by SJackson
Congressman Ron Paul showed in the January 17th Fox News debate why he would be so dangerous as president and commander-in-chief. He believes, in a twist on the Judeo-Christian Golden Rule, that our Islamist enemies are only assaulting us because we assaulted them first. Sorry, appeaser-in-chief Paul, but the Koran commands devout jihadists to use whatever means are necessary to destroy all infidels, no matter what we have done or plan to do to them.
As part of an exchange involving the appropriate response to al Qaeda and their Taliban supporters, Paul exclaimed:
My point is, if another country does to us what we do others, we’re not going to like it very much. So I would say that maybe we ought to consider a golden rule in — in foreign policy. Don’t do to other nation… what we don’t want to have them do to us.
Paul even offered the absurd analogy comparing our killing of the mass murderer Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil, where he was provided a sanctuary, to the Communist Chinese government deciding to go after a Chinese dissident seeking freedom in the United States. Newt Gingrich properly labeled this comparison “utterly irrational.”
Ron Paul may have some good ideas on reining in the power of the Federal Reserve and on the need to control federal spending. But he is clueless in dealing with our Islamist enemies. He either does not understand or refuses to believe the ideology that drives them. They want to kill us because our nation is governed on the basis of principles derived from Judeo-Christian beliefs including the true Golden Rule. They hate us because of who we are, not for any alleged harm that we’ve ever caused them.
Only three years after the United States won its independence, when there was no Jewish state for Muslims to resent, and no American troops on Muslim soil, Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then U.S. Ambassador to Britain, learned from a Muslim ambassador to Britain why the Muslims were so hostile towards Americans. Jefferson and Adams were attempting to negotiate a peace treaty with the Muslim “Barbary pirates,” an exercise that ultimately proved to be futile.
As Jefferson and Adams later reported to Congress, the Muslim ambassador explained to them that Islam
Was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.
All that Ron Paul needs to do is take a look at the Koran itself, cited by that Muslim ambassador more than 200 years ago, to understand the source of the jihadist ideology that we are still fighting today.
Here is a sample:
• “Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them.” (Koran, 2:191)
• “O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other.” (Koran 5:51)
• “Shall I tell you who, in the sight of God, deserves a yet worse retribution than these? Those [the Jews] whom God has rejected and whom He has condemned, and whom He has turned into monkeys and pigs because they worshiped the powers of evil.” (Koran 5:60)
• “I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them.” (Koran, 8:12)
• “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”
• “[F]ight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (Koran, 9:29)
• “When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah’s word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly.” (Koran, 17:16-17)
Islamist apologists argue that the Koran also contains verses calling for tolerance and understanding. If the verses written while Muhammad was living in Mecca, where he and his followers were then surrounded by much stronger non-Muslim populations, constituted the entirety of the Koran, they may have had a point. However, the milder verses were superseded by the far more war-like and intolerant verses written during Muhammad’s time in Medina where he successfully launched his jihad of conquests against non-believers, especially against Jews who refused to convert to Islam. Moreover, when one examines the real meaning of jihad according to Muhammad from other primary sources such as Bukhari (the Hadith, which are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of Muhammad), the fact is that 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3% are about so-called inner struggle.
Sayyid Qutb, an Egyptian author, educator, and the leading Islamic scholar who was a member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood in the 1950s and ’60s, wrote:
It may happen that the enemies of Islam may consider it expedient not to take any action against Islam, if Islam leaves them alone in their geographical boundaries to continue the lordship of some men over others and does not extend its message and its declaration of universal freedom within their domain. But Islam cannot agree to this unless they submit to its authority by paying Jizyah, which will be guarantee that they have opened their doors for the preaching of Islam
Islam has the right to take the initiative…this is God’s religion and it is for the whole world. It has the right to destroy all obstacles in the form of institutions and traditions … it attacks institutions and traditions to release human beings from their poisonous influences, which distort human nature and curtail human freedom.
Those who say that Islamic Jihaad was merely for the defense of the “homeland of Islam” diminish the greatness of the Islamic way of life.
This is the ideology that inspired Osama bin Laden and his replacement as the current leader of al Qaeda, Ayman Zawahiri. A “die or submit” ideology is the antithesis of the Golden Rule that is so central to Judeo-Christian beliefs. If Iran, al Qaeda or other jihadists were ever armed with nuclear bombs, we would face an existential threat. Yet Ron Paul believes that the solution is to simply pretend the threat only exists because of our own foreign policy.
In my previous article on Ron Paul’s dangerous foreign policy views, I discussed Paul’s perverted moral equivalency version of the Golden Rule in dealing with the Iranian theocracy. Referring to the U.S.-Iranian conflict and justifying Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons (which he simultaneously denies is happening), Paul said during the August 11, 2011 GOP presidential debate in Iowa:
It’s been going on and on because we just plain don’t mind our own business. That’s our problem…Why wouldn’t it be natural that they might want a weapon? Internationally, they’d be given more respect.
Again, to be charitable, Paul is way out in left field. The fanatics ruling Iran today do not believe in the Golden Rule as we understand it in the West. They believe instead in a “golden age” when the big Satan (the United States) and the little Satan (Israel) will be destroyed. This will hasten the arrival of the 12th Imam, otherwise known as the Mahdi, whom Iran’s rulers look to as Islam’s messianic savior.
For example, Ayatollah Khamenei linked Israel and the United States together as the mortal enemies of the 12th Imam and declared through a spokesman in August 2009:
We have to train honest forces that can stop the obstacles that may hinder the coming of the Mahdi like the United States and Israel.
The spokesman described Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader, as “a direct representative” of the Mahdi and said following his orders is like “obeying the guided one.
Ron Paul is on a fool’s gold mission in believing that applying the Golden Rule in dealing with our Islamist enemies will lead to any result other than the killing of many more innocent Americans.
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I wonder why the 9/11 terrorists didn’t attack Des Moines, IA. After all, they’re Americans too. /s
Most of the UK terror attacks have been home grown.
Am I advocating continuing to meddle with ground troops? No.
Am I advocating nuking the feces out of any country or compound that has helped a terrorist attack one of our embassies or an attack on the USA? Yes I am.
Islamist radicals understand getting the feces smacked out of them with the leaders and the families of the leaders destroyed and wiped from the face of the earth and their bodies never found again.
Removing those who wish to wage Jihad from the gene pool until they are no more is the logical solution.
Does that sound too harsh? I wouldn’t want to be too harsh.
Dear Mr. Klien the Iraq war was a total boondoggle that cost over 5,000 American lives and over 100,000 Iraqi lives. This war was based on Iraq having WMD’s which was refuted by non other than secretary of state Colin Powell on the late Tim Russert show. Paraphrasing Powell’s comments,’the US was given false intelligence about WMD and in some cases deliberately’. Interestingly enough there was no media followup on what should have been one of the top stories of the decade. In addition and Israeli general who worked for the secret Israeli intellgence divisiion stated in an AP interview that Israel overstated its assertion on Iraqs having WMD. Also we had an inspector come back from Iraq also verifying this false assertion on WMD. Maybe Mr. Paul isn’t so crazy after all.
I have studied history. The ship incident, referred to, was taken from Jefferson's report to Congress on that very one-sided achievement. No one denies that there were a succession of incidents with the Pirates; but I suggest that you read Jefferson's comments to President Washington on Treaty questions, when he was Secretary of State. He clearly endorses the view of Vattel, that every nation must be the judge of its own affairs--basic to the Law of Nations. That is the principle that motivates much of what Dr. Paul states; even if he does not always explain it very well.
As for whether Hamilton drafted the Farewell Address, as many believe: Washington would never have submitted it, if he did not agree with it. Hamilton had served Washington closely during the War, and certainly would not have put anything in the speech that did not reflect Washington's views, if he actually drafted the language. The Address was the guidepost for American statesmen for many years.
But, again, the only real point that is relevant to this controversy, is that Washington correctly identifies the psychological factors that come into play, when factions let either their animosity against or their favoritism for any foreign nation, influence their policy decisions. Nothing in recognizing those psychological factors discussed, prevent our acting in our own interest.
By the way, long before the fall of 1796, Jefferson had gotten over his initial sympathy for the Jacobins, and had recoiled from their behavior; nor did he like Napoleon; nor was he ever actually an Egalitarian. His initial sympathy, like his friend LaFayette's was in response to the corruption of the old order in France, which truly had substituted self-indulgence for responsible leadership.
William Flax
Yeah, because advocating “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is such a crazy, silly and absurd moral rule! I mean, who would teach such a thing??? Let’s boo the Golden Rule! And let’s return hate with more of the same! Now that’s a better moral teaching. /sarcasm
Are you serious??
A man who would endorse drug use would actually try to say it’s because Jesus would allow it if the majority voted for it?
Are you serous??
A man who would endorse prostitution if the majority went for it is doing God’s will??
A man who would REFUSE to fight adolph Hitler is doing God’s will?
A man who endorsed the SOUTH in the Civil war and said they were RIGHT is doing God’s will??
A man whose endorsements include the NAZI PARTY OF AMERICA, STORMFRONT, CODE PINK, is a godly man??
Like I said earlier, you have lost your mind, Lily, lost it.
Sit down with your pastor, make sure you show him where ROn Paul said such things and has historically for decades and then tell you it’s all about Jesus showing love.
Tehran Ron says he would not have ordered the raid on Bin laden, but on video, he sure did say he would have
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2834019/posts
Ron Paul supports legal dope and prostitution
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/06/Ron_Paul_on_Prostitution_Gay_Marriage/
Starts half way in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mz9pDGHBTo&feature=related
Nevada prostitutes endorse Ron Paul
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/nevada-prostitutes-endorse-ron-paul/
White supremecist David Duke endorses Ron Paul;
http://patdollard.com/2011/12/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-he%E2%80%99s-voting-for-ron-paul/
Ron Paul refuses to disavow STORMFRONT associations
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/45537/ron-paul-refuses-to-disavow-stormfront-other-anti-semitic-racist-groups-openly-campaigning-for-him/
Ron Paul SUPPORTS NAMBLA
http://videosift.com/video/Does-Ron-Paul-Support-NAMBLA-Well-yes-and-no
http://www.dailypaul.com/70100/age-of-consent?page=1
Why do the Ron Paul guys support gay marriage?
http://www.queerty.com/ron-paul-on-gay-marriage-20071210/
the 2008 RONULAN economic advisor to Ron paul saying that libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
Libertarians need to infiltrate the GOP
VIDEO of Schiff saying just that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbebbqyQG6Y&list=UUfwzGhe9U4UnbYl60Tud9ww&index=1&feature=plcp
RON PAUL SUPPORTERS ARE PLANNING ON FILLING ALL DELEGATE POSITIONS WITH RON PAUL SUPPORTERS THROUGHOUT THE GOP!! THEN, IGNORING THE VOTE TALLY AND VOTING FOR RON PAUL!!
VOTER FRAUD ALERT!!
http://ronpauldelegates.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/become-a-delegate/
RONULANS calling for the takeover of the GOP Republican Liberty Caucus, to infiltrate and take it over!
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?111402-Take-Over-the-GOP%21-Join-the-Republican-Liberty-Caucus-Ron-Paul-is-a-Member
An organization called Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth video taped an inpromtu appearance with Ron Paul and recorded some of his comments. They can be found here:
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/05/19/trutheriness-and-ron-paul/
While Ron Paul has said on TV shows such as Glen Beck that he dismisses the major theories, he openly says there is a coverup of what went on yet refuses to elaborate on just what is covered up. The 9/11 Comission clearly showed that intelligence failures happened because of Clinton era laws that prevented our inteligence agancies from communicating with each other.
On the website CONSPIRACY PLANET, information about Ron Paul and issues similar to this can be found:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?ChannelID=90
Ron Paul has publically said that the CIA has accomplished a coup against America and needs to be taken out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dECSYm5bSM
A direct quote from this conference is as such:
(January 20, 2010) House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”
Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said: “There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries...”
Additional video proof of him saying this here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SZKLvEOp9c
And here is one prominant website that supports the 9/11 conspiracy theories, calling for a RON PAUL PROVISIONAL ARMY to take over after we investigate the 9/11 events:
http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/
Among the other kooky connections to Ron Paul, is a UFO COnnection. I have yet to find the original article, but numerous articles repeat the belief of Ron Paul’s that UFO’s are real. Some of the Ron Paul sites have soeone trying to mock this belief, but the Ron Paul site, DailyPaul.com says this:
http://dailypaul.com/node/125999
This has been repeated again in San Francisco, not known to support conservatives or Libertarians anyways, but associated with Ron Paul out there were UFO enthusiasts mentioned in this article:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2007/08/ron_pauls_ufo_sighter_friends.php
How is it that the kookiest ideas are surrounding Ron Paul? Ron Paul, UFO disclosure, etc... simply nothing more than a pacifier — a distraction!
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message462483/pg1
Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/18/rep-paul-codepink-camp-israel-aid-opposition/
Ron Paul and his acolytes are following George Soros on the defense of our nation, and connections between the two have been proved
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/01/02/ron-pauls-soros-defense-plan/
Tehran TV LOVES Ron Paul!
http://www.aim.org/special-report/tehran-tv-loves-ron-paul/
Ron Paul supported by anti-war group CODE PINK
http://www.dailypaul.com/165272/anti-war-group-code-pink-counts-ron-paul-in-their-camp-on-israel-aid-opposition
Glenn Beck exposes Ron Paul’s ties to Soros. Does it shock you, or does it do much to explain why Ron Paul is friendly with “Bawney” Frank and almost as bad as Obama is when it comes to illegal aliens and Islam? Listen to video please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFSHGhq19CM
Dennis Prager point sout Ron Paul’s lunacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qqHAoXRVk4g
Ron Paul says he is against the NDAA bill, so why didn’t he VOTE AGAINST it??
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/01/06/ron-paul-supporters-claim-he-opposes-the-ndaa-so-why-didnt-he-vote-on-it/
Ron Paul supporters quizzed on the Constitution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISuQAdKWuR8&feature=g-all-u&context=G2591ab9FAAAAAAAACAA
As homosexual Army soldier Bradley Manning’s treason trial continues at Fort Meade, Maryland, the support he has received from Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been curiously ignored by the major media, now touting Paul as someone who could win the January 3 Iowa Republican Caucuses. Paul has called Manning, a crossdresser with acknowledged mental problems, a “hero” and “patriot” for stealing government secrets and providing them to WikiLeaks.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2011/12/21/kincaid-ron-paul-says-accused-traitor-is-a-patriot/
While campaigning in Iowa on Wednesday, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement, comparing it to the Tea Party movement. “In many ways, I identify with both groups,” Paul said. Both groups are fed up with problems in Washington and “the two-party-system,” Paul said while speaking at an insurance company in Des Moines. Praising the left-wing Occupy Wall Street movement is an unusual move for a Republican presidential candidate, but Ron Paul is, of course, an unusual Republican presidential candidate. He jumped to first place in the Iowa caucus polls partly because of support from people who aren’t Republicans. His comments that members of the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street are unhappy with the “two-party system” could fuel speculation that Paul will make a third-party bid of his own—something he has not ruled out.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/ron-paul-praises-occupy-wall-street_614967.html
You have been around FR long enough, been sent books by me, been sent links to read, and are old enough to have lived through most of what I apparently have to remind you of
Islam HAS BEEN KILLING PEOPLE FOR MILLENIA
NO ONE was killing Muslims in 1948 when they attacked Israel
NO ONE was killing Muslims in 1953 when they tried to take over the Suez
NO ONE was killing Muslims in 1967 when they attacked Israel
NO ONE was killing Muslims in 1973 when they attacked Israel
NO ONE was killing Muslims in 1983 when the PLO was attacking Israel
RUSSIA was killing Muslims from 1978 to 1991 when the Mujahadeen was SUPPORTED by the USA in Afghanistan until they defeated the Russians with US HELP in 1991
NO ONE was bombing the Moros in the Philippines in the late 1800’s when they attacked the Philippino govt after the Spanish American War
NOT ONE American military action took place until Islamic pirates took our ships and sold the sailors as slaves in Tripoli in the Early 1800’s
NO ONE US SOLDIER attacked ANY Islamic country, for almost 100 years, until the Moros in the PI, and then, they, the Moros started it
The British lost control of their oil fields in iran in the 50’s, asked our CIA to overthrow Mossadegh and we agreed once we knew he was going to enter into an agreement with the Soviets, giving Russia their warm water port that the ENTIRE WORD was afraid of in the 50’s, placing the Shah in power again
Then, President Nixon imposed SANCTIONS ON THE SHAH in the early 1970’s due to human rights abuses and his lack of turning over Iranian govt land to the people as promised, only to be lifted because of the ISLAMIC Invasion of Israel in 1973 when we needed Iranian Oil
ONLY THEN did the Shah become our friend
A COMMUNIST LED coup started in Iran, taken over by the Islamic groups with khomenie’s return, claiming that the Shah killed many. The Ayatollah’s grandson admitted that they can only prove 3000 people killed by the Shah over 30 years, but that Khomenie killed over 100,000 in his first year alone, most of them the commmunist student leaders who led the original revolution against the Shah
When the Shah was pleading for help, JIMMY CARTER SIDED WITH THE ISLAMIC LEADERS, calling Khomenie a GREAT MAN and abandoned the Shah, refusing to provide him with arms to defeat the revolution.
The Islamic revolution started then, after the Shah was thrown out, and even though JIMMY CARTER abandoned the Shah, khomenie used us as the scapegoat, using 25 year old news as a rallying cry and ignoring how we sanctioned against the Shah just 6 years previous
Since then, the Islamic world has attacked us numerous times each decade, NONE of which we started
NO ONE was bombing Muslims after we came to Beirut to STOP the slaughter of the PLO when they bombed our barracks and killed over 250 Marines
NO ONE was bombing Muslims, yet in OKC when Iraqi Republican Guards were identified as helping McVeigh and Nichols build that bomb.
NO ONE was bombing the Philippino Muslims when they helped Nichols build that bomb
WE BOMBED CHRISTIANS in Kosovo to HELP ISLAMIC JIHAD Armies supported by IRAN thanks to Bill Clinton
NOT ONE Islamic country denounced any of those attacks in our defense, nor did they mention our support
For you RON PAUL LOSERS to say anything different is to show your historical ignorance or your absolute insane mind to the world
It's hard to 'debate' someone who starts off with so many misunderstandings and faulty premises, and especially someone who is so emotional and unwilling to even fathom the idea that you are wrong about anything here.
I do, however, want to get back to you on your entire view or understanding of liberty, and how that relates to us as Christians. But I haven't had the time to put all my thoughts down in writing, to try to explain to you what I have been realizing, and to show you how extremely legalistic and misguided (even if well-intended) you are. When I have the time, I'm going to write a blog post on this topic, and I'll let you know when I do.
You have been presented with Ron Paul saying these exact things
correct quotes
videos
fellow persons who defend him saying these things
and not one slander suit to quiet them
and you dismiss it with the wave of the hand
yup
delusional
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