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FR's eyes on the nation | today | me

Posted on 01/21/2012 6:43:43 AM PST by tomkat

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To: dools0007world
“It also assumes that Bible Belt Christians will break for a serial adulterer, lier and deceiver. Why I must settle for that as president is beyond me. Also fascinating is that the very people who condemned the Clintoon/Lewinsky misbehavior are perfectly comfortable giving the philandering Newt a pass.”

“I find that pathetic, hippocritical and disenguineness.”

In the way you state this, it does seem wrong of us. However, Bill Clinton did his thing in the Oval Office as a sitting POTUS. Additionally, he lied to a federal grand jury about it. He went on TV and wagged his finger in our faces telling us that he “did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky”.

For one, he never wholeheartedly apologized for lying to us for lying in our faces. And the big thing that many overlook is that he positioned himself to be bribed by foreign governments had they possessed that knowledge.

I do not want a sitting president who commits adultery, but I can take someone who has done that, but is seeming repentant.

141 posted on 01/21/2012 8:28:48 AM PST by Preachin' (I stand with many voters who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.)
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To: central_va
We need Newt, he fights and doesn’t hold back.

The first part of your statement is an opinion, and not a fact.

I respect that opinion, and share it to a degree, but my point is that it doesn't give Newt supporters the right to belittle and berate Santorum supporters.

When conservatives supporting either Newt or Santorum batter each other, it brings us all down.

142 posted on 01/21/2012 8:29:00 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: napscoordinator
"I believe it will keep people WIMPS home.

There, I fixed it for you!

143 posted on 01/21/2012 8:29:10 AM PST by bksanders (Â…tagline redacted by SOPA)
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To: untwist; All

Sorry for the multiple postings. Keyboard jammed.


144 posted on 01/21/2012 8:29:32 AM PST by untwist
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To: MestaMachine
Santorum. Heh, I'm tied with Newt. We are both in double digits. Did I mention that I actually won the Iowa Caucuses? (Michele Bachmann shouts from the back of the room, Yeah but I won the Iowa Straw Poll).
145 posted on 01/21/2012 8:29:32 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: tomkat

Are we related?


146 posted on 01/21/2012 8:29:57 AM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: ohioWfan

I wish we could combine the best attributes of Santorum and Gingrich into one candidate, then we’d have a winner.


147 posted on 01/21/2012 8:30:21 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: central_va

The thing is getting some of these guys to realize that this is an actual WAR. Maybe they will get that in war, you get behind the guy that will fight in a dirty outfit next to you, not the one with a fine-pressed dress uniform back behind the lines.


148 posted on 01/21/2012 8:30:29 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: All
I propose an armistice today. Rather than knock Newt or Santorum or attack either, let's just simply be positive and enjoy what should be an exciting day of possibly great news!

Back off, everyone! Let's watch the returns! :-)

149 posted on 01/21/2012 8:31:06 AM PST by TitansAFC (Next time, GOP Establishment, back someone who isn't totally despised by the grassroots!)
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To: VanDeKoik

Exactly, if you have Patton at your disposal, you overlook his flaws, because you want somebody in there who will kill as many Nazis as possible.


150 posted on 01/21/2012 8:31:32 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; gov_bean_ counter
Since when does wanting our President to live by God's standards being 'holier than thou?'

Isn't that what we're all supposed to desire in a leader?

151 posted on 01/21/2012 8:31:38 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Jim Robinson
Apparently you have not been on many other threads here lately, especially the ones written by Jim Robinson himself.

I am all for unity. I call out the nasty posters who run down Newt, and lift santorum to a pedestal where he does not deserve to be.

You see, I know a great amount of detail about Santorum and his record when he was a Senator. I stand by what I say. And like Newt Gingrich, I tell it as I see it, which is why I like him so much.

You have a problem with honesty and call it being nasty, then by all means. I must be “nasty” then.

152 posted on 01/21/2012 8:31:38 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: TitansAFC

I’m ok with either Santorum or Newt, may the best man win, and whomever finishes second, should step down after today, so we can be united against Mitt.


153 posted on 01/21/2012 8:33:35 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP; AmericanInTokyo
I call out the nasty posters who run down Newt

You ARE a nasty poster. Call yourself out, psycho.

154 posted on 01/21/2012 8:34:15 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

What did Santorum lie about Newt on?

When he said Character counts? It does.

When he said that he brought to Newt in a closed door House meeting corruption issues going on and said Newt swept them under the rug? Notice in Newt’s answer that he didn’t deny the charge, he just referred to all the times he did stand up to corruption.

When he said Newt spoke to House members and candidates gearing up for 2010 and told them to put a “low key on Social Issues”? Again, Newt didn’t deny he said that, but diverted the charge to his involvement in bringing about the largest House transformation in history with the 2010 Election.

When he said Gingrich supported TARP? Newt griped about it on TV, then in the 2008 interview with Greta, after TARP had been passed said he would have voted for legislation as well. Of course, to divert attention from this statement, he goes off about his activity in trying to repeal Sarbanes-Oxley and changes some SEC-mandated valuation requirements.

When he said Gingrich supports global warming? Newt sat on the couch with Nancy Pelosi, and while he might call that “the biggest mistake of his career”, Newt won’t call out climate change for what it is “junk science”.

When he said Gingrich was for the individual mandate? He was. How conveinent of Newt to change on that issue in the same year he declares to run for President. Anything that goes beyond the ideas Reagan illustrated in his 60’s speech against socialized medicne is nothing but more big government intrusion. I like how in the last debate Newt craftily put in the remark that they would “kill the bill” first because he didn’t trust to bureaucrats, but again, the 300-pages of whatever might seem to be good will give the Government the life it needs to implement Government-run health care later on down the road.

When he said Gingrich was an idea a minute with no organization? True. Lots of ideas were proposed but never enacted in the 90’s Congress. Unless the plan, such as the Contract with America, is fully, specifically, and written down prior to Newt assuming the WH, the chances are nil that anything will get done.

When he said Gingrich is for a form of amnesty? He is. All Newt is doing with his plan is to try and take the heat off the President in granting amnesty and giving that role to “Citizen Review Baords” and the local community of which a “family” has to sponsor the illegal immigrant. In other words, when we gripe about illegal immigration, Newt can put the blame on people instead of himself. How nice. It’s still amnesty though, whichever way you look at it.

I’ve watched Gingrich closely in these debates. He’s crafty. When attacked on something he know’s he’s wrong on, he diverts it to where he can point out all of his strengths that supposedly outweigh the weakness on the issue.

My favorite Newt quote is from Michelle Malkin.com

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.” (Newt’s answer to Marianne in regards to how he could give a speech on family values, yet carry on an affair with another woman)

Newt’s a fraud. Just because one speaks conservative doesn’t make themselves a conservative. Just like all the bandwagon fans that poured onto the Michael Steele RNC train and were left bitter after it turned out he was a RINO (which was pointed out by several FReepers before he took the position, but they were ridiculed). Or Scott Brown in MA, which if you watched his debated with Coakley realized he was nowhere near what a conservative is. In time, people (and FReepers) will come to regret their decision to get behind Newt. Argue all you want now. In a few years from now, I will have been proven right, like I was on Steele and Brown.


155 posted on 01/21/2012 8:34:15 AM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: TBBT

This problem solves itself. If Rick Santorum cannot come close to Romney, much less Newt in SC, he will have a very hard time raising money to fight on. A Newt victory today ensures he gets the bulk of conservative money moving forward. Santorum will not have strength without money.

The real story in the next week will be all-out war in the Republican Party of the Establishment vs. the Conservatives. This is the follow-up to the 2010 Tea Party election. The conservatives gave the Republicans power, and the establishment leadership is squandering it. Newt is very well positioned to lead the conservative side of this war.


156 posted on 01/21/2012 8:35:14 AM PST by untwist
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I dont mean Rick stay in much longer..

but Newt is not alone..

Romney is still in..

and then there is Ron Paul...

Sigh...

HOWEVER

Romney dropped out Feb 7, 2008

2 days after Super Tuesday..

Romney had won AK, CO, MA, ME, MI, MN, MT, NV, ND, UT, WY

In FL he came in 2nd, in TN he was 3rd (Huckabee won TN)

So he will probably hang on till after Super Tuesday this time too

March 15


157 posted on 01/21/2012 8:36:43 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: TitansAFC
AMEN!!!
158 posted on 01/21/2012 8:36:43 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: ohioWfan
What I prefer,
Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly with God.

BTW, who are you to be the arbiter of which of these candidates actually live by God's standards?

Be very careful before you answer that question.

159 posted on 01/21/2012 8:36:48 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Newt settled Commandment #7 with his maker. Waiting patiently while Ricky does the same with #9.)
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To: parksstp

BTTT


160 posted on 01/21/2012 8:36:54 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (When GOP wants to guarantee a loss, they pick from MA: Dukakis, Kerry and now Romney.)
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