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Three guns and no more, say Greens (Australia)
news.com.au ^ | 23rd January 2012

Posted on 01/22/2012 2:44:02 PM PST by naturalman1975

THE NSW Greens hope to reduce gun numbers in the state with new legislation it is putting before parliament.

"It is simply wrong that individuals can accumulate an unlimited number of deadly weapons with next to no scrutiny," says Greens MP and firearms spokesman David Shoebridge.

Under the legislation, registered holders would be limited to a maximum of three guns.

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I'm a bit surprised that the Greens (watermelons that they are) are even prepared to accept the ownership of three guns. Or even one.
1 posted on 01/22/2012 2:44:04 PM PST by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

They’re not, but it’s a start.
They will whittle it down once they have it in place.
Just watch.

It’s that fourth gun tha’s the bad one.


2 posted on 01/22/2012 2:46:45 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: naturalman1975
"It is simply wrong..."

He begins with a lie -- and goes downhill from there...

3 posted on 01/22/2012 2:50:01 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: naturalman1975
3 .....

2 .....

1 .....

0 .....

4 posted on 01/22/2012 2:50:11 PM PST by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: naturalman1975

Okay, make mine a B.A.R., a 12-ga. pump and a .45 auto.


5 posted on 01/22/2012 2:52:10 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: naturalman1975

OK the first one is a Thompson 45 cal. w/50 round magazine, the second is an M-60 7.62 mm Machine gun, and the third is a 50 Cal. semi automatic sniper rifle with scope.


6 posted on 01/22/2012 2:53:35 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: naturalman1975
Every problem has a solution.

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7 posted on 01/22/2012 2:54:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: naturalman1975

Will this new restriction apply to criminals also?


8 posted on 01/22/2012 2:55:35 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: naturalman1975

How many firearms can a person fire at one time?


9 posted on 01/22/2012 2:55:52 PM PST by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: naturalman1975

It is simply wrong that individuals can be prohibited from accumulating an unlimited number of deadly weapons. Are there no real men in Australia?


10 posted on 01/22/2012 2:56:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SandRat

Three 12 Gauge Streetsweepers.


11 posted on 01/22/2012 2:57:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: naturalman1975

I have maybe 15 guns and consider myself nearly unarmed.


12 posted on 01/22/2012 2:59:17 PM PST by yarddog
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To: umgud

Not in Australia. They have entirely too many Leftwingtards in government to be bothered with authentic criminals.


13 posted on 01/22/2012 3:00:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

who the hell do you think you are.... lead nuts McGee

We had all our firearms taken...

Now, those that have them now have such limited ability too do so, restricted ownerships, totally locked down ownership.

Next time you open you yap, come talk with Me you mental midget, and I shall teach you about another country that is Not the USA.

You have hit the top of the list for being a Burke... look it up.

IDGARA

EL


14 posted on 01/22/2012 3:01:27 PM PST by Eureka_Lead (No political party has ever become a dictatorship when the citizens have firearms - Stay Vigilant)
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To: matt1234
How many firearms can a person fire at one time?

That sounds like a challenge to me :)

Seriously, the issue is having the right gun for the right job. I don't consider I have a large arsenal, but I have half a dozen guns. A semi-automatic ex-military rifle, a shotgun, a couple of handguns, and a couple of .22s.

If I had to get rid of three of my weapons, the two .22s would be the first to go. And when I went out rabbit shooting, I'd suddenly be using a FN-FAL against bunnies which is, just a bit of overkill.

15 posted on 01/22/2012 3:01:27 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: muawiyah

A 3 Guage punt-gun mounted on a farm wagon for crowd control


16 posted on 01/22/2012 3:02:26 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: naturalman1975

Graham Kennedy speaks for me at 1:39 (warning...not for delicate ears!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCLzHvPdSrE


17 posted on 01/22/2012 3:04:42 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Eureka_Lead

Mate, we didn’t have all our firearms taken and I spend a lot of time here on FR trying to explain the facts about gun ownership in Australia to Yanks who believe we did. Yes, the rules can be pretty strict, and are pretty stupid at times, but please be careful how you talk about them, because those of us who’ve worked bloody hard to avoid worse controls have a much harder time because of issues like this. Do you know how hard it can be to buy a perfectly legal gun from some American suppliers because they think you’re asking them to sell you something that is illegal in Australia because somebody told them all guns are banned here?


18 posted on 01/22/2012 3:06:13 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: yarddog

I have 8. In Texas, my collection isn’t even a starter kit...


19 posted on 01/22/2012 3:06:31 PM PST by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: Eureka_Lead
Seriously, you should liberate your people. Freedom entails individual moral responsibility. Guns help keep that idea in mind.

You can't let the state beat you down otherwise you might as well live in a third-world hellhole.

20 posted on 01/22/2012 3:09:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: naturalman1975

Somewhere along the line I got a wrong impression of Australia.

I always pictured in my mind, Aussies walking around with their sporterized SMLEs and anything else they wanted. I don’t guess I thought about it all that much but had somehow thought that gun ownership was not restricted in Australia.

All those Webleys and Martinis must just exist in my mind.


21 posted on 01/22/2012 3:13:21 PM PST by yarddog
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To: naturalman1975

Sure, good idea. Should probably register saws, knives, and bladed implements such as scythes and axes while you’re at it—with a limitation of three (3) such “deadly edged weapons” per household. That is to include chef, steak, and pocketknives...


22 posted on 01/22/2012 3:14:07 PM PST by dinodino
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To: naturalman1975

I must have missed the fact we did not have all our firearms taken, seems history, and the knocks on the door by the local boys in blue seeking my hand over receipt that went on randomly for two years...

So who was allowed to keep their firearms... cocky’s, I was one.... sports shooters... I was one..... Security (over 40k handling with safe lockup at other times at company premises) shrugs... the list mate... who was allowed to keep their firearms in the big sweep...

What do you have now... tell me, can you as a normal person living in suburbia, walk into a gun store and buy a firearm. If not, then what really do we have.

That answer will show what is real and what is not.

EL


23 posted on 01/22/2012 3:16:17 PM PST by Eureka_Lead (No political party has ever become a dictatorship when the citizens have firearms - Stay Vigilant)
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To: matt1234
How many firearms can a person fire at one time?

Two is about my limit.

Seriously, if you wanted to compete in Cowboy Action shooting you'd have a problem right off the bat, because you need 2 single action revolvers, a shotgun, and a lever-action rifle. This brain-dead proposal would put all these nice, fun-loving, law-abiding people out of action.

And then there's the issue that you can't really go deer hunting with your quail shotgun, nor can you shoot duck with your deer rifle, nor does your squirrel rifle work for deer.

See the problem?

Besides, I like the attitude of one of the three federal judges in the Fifth Circuit who heard the Emerson 2nd Amendment oral argument - he observed in passing that, between him and one of his fellow judges on the panel, they owned more firearms than some small Latin American countries.

24 posted on 01/22/2012 3:21:28 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: yarddog
Up until the late 1980s and in some place into the 1990s, there were relatively few restrictions. Unfortunately, from about 1987-1996, Australia suffered a series of spree killings when groups of people were murdered by maniacs, culminating in the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre where 35 people died.

These incidents made gun control very popular politically.

The measures taken were reasonably serious, just not as bad as some people paint them. All gun owners must be licenced and all guns must be registered. And there's a graded system of licences ranging from the A/B which only allows non-semi-automatic/non-automatic long arms upwards. You have to have the right licence for your weapons, and the more 'powerful' the weapon, the harder it is to get a licence. A/Bs are easy enough - but going beyond that is complicated. It can be done - I've done it along with hundreds of thousands of others - but over half of all gun owners simply stick to an A/B.

25 posted on 01/22/2012 3:22:58 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: yarddog
Up until the late 1980s and in some place into the 1990s, there were relatively few restrictions. Unfortunately, from about 1987-1996, Australia suffered a series of spree killings when groups of people were murdered by maniacs, culminating in the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre where 35 people died.

These incidents made gun control very popular politically.

The measures taken were reasonably serious, just not as bad as some people paint them. All gun owners must be licenced and all guns must be registered. And there's a graded system of licences ranging from the A/B which only allows non-semi-automatic/non-automatic long arms upwards. You have to have the right licence for your weapons, and the more 'powerful' the weapon, the harder it is to get a licence. A/Bs are easy enough - but going beyond that is complicated. It can be done - I've done it along with hundreds of thousands of others - but over half of all gun owners simply stick to an A/B.

26 posted on 01/22/2012 3:23:22 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975

Incrementalism. It’s easier to get part way than all the way. Next step is two, then one, then ... poof!


27 posted on 01/22/2012 3:25:01 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: naturalman1975

What are the chances of the bill passing?


28 posted on 01/22/2012 3:25:27 PM PST by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: Eureka_Lead

I live in suburban Melbourne and I have an A/B and a C-licence and a handgun licence. Getting these took a bit of work, but I went through the processes I needed to. With no criminal record and no other black marks against me, it wasn’t that hard.

Part of the problem, in my view, is that people were lead to believe it was a lot harder than it actually is and so they didn’t even try. The lists of ‘reasons to own’ for example, failed to mention that they were only lists of some reasons, not the only reasons. They also were a bit stricter about in the late 1990s up until 2005 or so - I used to hold my handguns on a special ADF permit for that reason, because it was harder than I was willing to go through to get a civil permit for a handgun, but they eventually relaxed that.

It also may differ somewhat from state to state even though the point was meant to be ‘unified’ gun laws.


29 posted on 01/22/2012 3:30:05 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: PLMerite

Exactly - with those, you can get all the rest you want if it comes to that.


30 posted on 01/22/2012 3:30:59 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: naturalman1975

Three in each room?

I suppose I could move a few around...


31 posted on 01/22/2012 3:31:52 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: naturalman1975

What was that Forrest Gump said “Stupid is as stupid does.” Bad guys are going to use their guns illegally regardless of how many they have, good guys are not going to use their guns illegally regardless of how many they have.


32 posted on 01/22/2012 3:32:54 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: naturalman1975
Just a reminder:

In this country, we have the right to keep and bear arms only as long as five of nine politically appointed lawyers on the Supreme Court agree we have that right, and if Obama gets a second term, he may be able to appoint two more of HIS lawyers to the Supreme Court.

An Obama controlled Supreme Court may no be so generous as to allow Americans to even own three firearms.

In November 2012, keep this in mind as you vote.

33 posted on 01/22/2012 3:36:24 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: cripplecreek

Does that triple mini gun count as three, or only one?


34 posted on 01/22/2012 3:37:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: naturalman1975
Can I comment on this thread even though I lost my entire gun collection in a tragic boating accident?

Thankfully, no lives were lost.

35 posted on 01/22/2012 3:37:43 PM PST by gettinolder (Smashed lips save ships.)
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To: gettinolder

American lake bottoms must be four feet deep with guns by now...


36 posted on 01/22/2012 3:39:14 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Three guns and no more, say Greens (Australia)

Say, Australia: All the guns you want and no more Greens.

I think this would be a much more satisfying arrangement.
37 posted on 01/22/2012 3:39:42 PM PST by aruanan
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To: muawiyah
Three 12 Gauge Streetsweepers.

Limited application and firepower.

38 posted on 01/22/2012 3:39:53 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: naturalman1975

Got my gun license the same time I got my drivers license.

The same number btw... but you may not be old enough to have been around for that... linking one in the same.

Well, and I mean Well before the nut case that shot up port Arthur, we were all licensed, i think if I really try hard, I could find a copy on-line of an original one for well before that period.

So what are the restrictions on firearm owndership now, in suburbia....

Current Australian firearm laws

State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g. Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a “Genuine Reason” must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting.

Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a licence, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense.[2]

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person’s registered firearm of the same category.

The documentation on firearms ownership, some 700,000 people, but I suspect that figure is inflated as the feds keep a tight reign on what comes out as figures so they can say there are plenty of guns out there....

Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:

Category A: Rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers. A “Genuine Reason” must be provided for a Category A firearm.

Category B: Centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901. A “Genuine Need” must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.

Category C: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.

Category D: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.

Category H: Handguns including air pistols and deactivated handguns. this class is available to target shooters and farmers. To be eligible for a Category H firearm a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.

Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain “approved” pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45”, currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is not “approved” for the larger calibres, for as 9mm/.38/.357 handguns meet the IPSC rules. Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94”) long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72”) for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits.

Category R/E: Restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.

I hate it when someone says we have these wonderful days now in which the aussie is as free as the USA (for the moment) to own a firearm for self defense, or whatever reason....

Locked in boxes, sign in for a “shoot” locked in boxes, and a “Genuine Need”

Seems that genuine need is to protect myself, it was before the theft of our firearms and “privileges”

Next your going to tell Me that in Oz we have a Constitution... oh, that would be the one that basically states the Federal Government has the right to tax us....

Now what did happen to the “open request” form the government for the publics thoughts on a new Constitution.. oh that is right, the rider was...”Nothing related to nor the same as that based on the USA Constitution/Bill of Rights shall be acceptable....
When you can show Me the rules listed above are null and void, I shall say , well done... but you and the end of the world will not change the federally owned and controlled country of Australia.

EL


39 posted on 01/22/2012 3:40:18 PM PST by Eureka_Lead (No political party has ever become a dictatorship when the citizens have firearms - Stay Vigilant)
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To: naturalman1975

They can have mine.............
I’ll jus’ cycle all my ammo thru them first—at the gun grabbers.
Anyone left standing I’ll beat to death with the other three.


40 posted on 01/22/2012 3:40:21 PM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for all voting. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: Travis McGee

I’m counting it as one.


41 posted on 01/22/2012 3:40:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: yarddog
I have maybe 15 guns and consider myself nearly unarmed.

It's a good start though.

42 posted on 01/22/2012 3:41:30 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: DJ Taylor; naturalman1975; Joe Brower
"In this country, we have the right to keep and bear arms only as long as five of nine politically appointed lawyers on the Supreme Court agree we have that right..."

No, that's not correct, we will still have the right, which is God-given.

Five of nine SCOTUS judges can rule that the sky is green or slavery should be legal, but that won't make them right.

IOW, Molon Labe, black robes!

43 posted on 01/22/2012 3:41:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: cripplecreek

If they were counting barrels as guns, it would be a lot more!


44 posted on 01/22/2012 3:42:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: naturalman1975

THE NSW Greens hope to reduce gun numbers in the state with new legislation it is putting before parliament. “It is simply wrong that individuals can accumulate an unlimited number of deadly weapons with next to no scrutiny,” says Greens MP and firearms spokesman David Shoebridge. Under the legislation, registered holders would be limited to a maximum of three guns.

_________________

First know that this is incrementalism, if they can tell you to only have three guns then they can tell you to have no guns since you obeyed the first request.

____________

I would tell them to drop dead.


45 posted on 01/22/2012 3:46:03 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Cobra64

I have maybe 15 guns and consider myself nearly unarmed.

It’s a good start though

You’re not a gun nut until you can’t remember how many you have!


46 posted on 01/22/2012 3:46:46 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Eureka_Lead; muawiyah
Right on!

He obviously does not research topics before making silly comments, and based on his post #11, he lacks planning and critical thinking skills.

47 posted on 01/22/2012 3:48:24 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: naturalman1975
In the USA, all Law Abiding Citizens have a Constitutional License. We don't have to apply for it since it is God given.

The fact that we were born into a Constitutional Republic guarantees our freedoms, or should I say it used to.

Unfortunately, we also have Citizens who believe that the Government replaces God, so they support Politicians who share their delusion. Laws are now created that turn a Law Abiding Citizen into a criminal overnight. No action is required by the Citizen to make this happen, only action by the Government. Where we had Courts that protected our Freedom, we now have Courts that dictate how much Freedom we are “allowed” to enjoy. (please refer to my taglline for clarification)

Thus we are left with the saying, “from my cold dead hands”.

48 posted on 01/22/2012 3:53:34 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Cobra64

If I could count my airguns the number would more than double.

At one time I owned over 200 and many of them were high end models. I went through a period of very little income and was forced to sell nearly all of them.

I ended up keeping ones that I knew were very fine guns yet were not worth much. For instance I kept two Argentine Hi-Powers because I had owned many of them including several Belgian and Canadian made ones and the Argies were every bit as good as far as accuracy and reliability.

I am slowly rebuilding my collection but will never have the likes of what I once did.


49 posted on 01/22/2012 3:56:47 PM PST by yarddog
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To: PLMerite
Okay, make mine a B.A.R., a 12-ga. pump and a .45 auto.

Amazing! Exactly what I was thinking. Make the 12 ga a Saiga and the .45 capable of taking accessories.

50 posted on 01/22/2012 3:57:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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